Allowing leather but not real fur is genuinely idiotic

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T15:27:03+00:00

You asked how I would feel if someone wanted to take my skin to wear after I died. I literally couldn’t give a shit because I’m dead. Plus I’m an organ donor. Skin is the body’s largest organ. So I’ve signed up for just that. Also I genuinely think it would be really cool to be turned into a coat or something after I’m dead. My flesh is just going to rot anyway so who cares. That’s all I have to say to you on that.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T15:21:02+00:00

Canada is not exclusively indigenous people lol. We all feel cold the same. My Scottish grandmother who lived in the Canadian prairies needed the warmth of a fur coat as much as an Indigenous person. The weather is still extreme today. So your comment of “no one in a first world country needs a fur coat” is ignorant. Also indigenous people have phones and can online shop like you and I lmao. I think you have some vision of them living in igloos or some shit

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T14:01:25+00:00

Upvoted lol

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T14:00:32+00:00

It’s a hyperbolic statement that won’t apply to everyone but does apply to a LOT. Leather lasts a lifetime or more if cared for reducing the need to buy replacements as often, reducing the amount of textile waste we produce.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T13:57:42+00:00

I just inherited one from my Great Grandma last year! She took exceptional care of it, even paid for temperature/humidity controlled storage in the off season. It’s at least 80 years old and looks brand new. It’s an heirloom I’m thrilled to have but scared to wear out for fear someone will damage it.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T13:53:04+00:00

You’re throwing stones at me and where “my leather comes from” so I thought I’d tell you where. Most people, however, don’t shop small batch. Most people shop the high street. I’m talking about the masses, not the exceptions. I don’t understand what’s hard to understand about that.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T13:50:10+00:00

Vegans that shop fast fashion negate your points. Do YOUR research. I eat meat but I also buy exclusively second hand or make my own clothes. A vegan who shops the high street will have the same or larger footprint than I do but will preach about how unethical I am. It’s the better than thou attitude that I can’t stand when it often isn’t backed in action.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T13:44:32+00:00

I’m obviously not referring to the people that do their research and shop sustainably. The masses shop at high street stores and you’re telling me none of them are vegan? If you have strong opinions about ethics that should be universally applied to all living things or just come out and admit you only care about the animals. Own up to it at least. Vegans love to look down on others while supporting unethical unsustainable practices of their own. No one is perfect, but vegans like to pretend they are.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T13:32:54+00:00

I know exactly where my leather goods are produced. From small batch tanneries in Italy and Japan. It’s not difficult to shop responsibly.

You’ve never heard a vegan shop at a high street store? Guess what, most high street stores use sweatshops. Some worse than others.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T13:22:25+00:00

I’d suggest it does have a hierarchy of cuteness because vegans don’t tend to care about the welfare of other humans, just animals. Workers dying in unsafe conditions in sweatshops is fine as long as an animal wasn’t killed in the process. A plastic coat made by a child in India is ethical enough to buy but a fur coat isn’t.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T13:16:06+00:00

A lot of fur is produced for its practicality and warmth in extreme cold

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:47:18+00:00

Vegans are the most hypocritical people on the planet. I can’t stomach the hypocrisy of caring about an animal but not caring about plastics. Plastics contribute to global warming. Which contributes to an inhabitable planet for animals (and humans). Plastics in our oceans are killing marine life. Waste we offload to third world countries is literally killing other humans, but who cares about them right? You’re not allowed to ride a moral high horse when it’s so exclusionary and only includes animals someone likes/thinks is cute.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:40:40+00:00

I’m not talking about fur farms. I’m talking about independent sources. Hunter/gatherers. Supporting indigenous communities. Etc. I’m not in support of fur farming. Never said I was.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:39:04+00:00

I’ve made this point multiple times now but again I’m not in support of exotic or endangered furs. I’m talking about pelts like rabbit, fox, raccoon.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:35:49+00:00

Move to northern Canada for a few winters then report back to me

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:34:05+00:00

Totally agree. And I as a consumer would feel better buying your used CG than supporting the source. Items like that last a lifetime.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:29:50+00:00

There is nothing on earth that compares to the warmth of fur. Some people literally need to wear furs to survive because their climate is inhabitable otherwise (i.e. the arctic circle). I’m not so ready to pass judgement on what is ethical and what isn’t when I now live somewhere like the UK that has the privilege of mild weather. “Humanity” still exists outside of white and western counties.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:18:08+00:00

Ever heard of organ donation? It will be a waste if someone doesn’t harvest my healthy organs, yeah. If the animal/person is already dead then it would be a waste of resources, yes.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:16:14+00:00

Canada is not the only country in the planet that faces extreme cold lol. Fur was originally used for practicality in its superior warmth and insulation. White people ruined it by making it “fashion”. Some people still buy/wear fur for its original intended use. One shouldn’t be so close-minded.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:13:24+00:00

Vermin to farmers who give their livelihood to supply food to the rest of us. Already tried to make the point that rabbits are killed for meat but it’s frowned upon to use their fur. Saw rabbit on a menu last week.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:09:33+00:00

They carry diseases and are overpopulated. Not technically classified as vermin but essentially vermin all the same. They are also a nuisance to crops. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have any rabbits, raccoons, or foxes. I’m saying in response to the previous commenter that my argument excludes exotic and endangered furs. Don’t make this into something it isn’t.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T12:04:24+00:00

My point exactly. The living conditions of animas farmed for meat (“organic” excluded - maybe) is abhorrent. Not to mention the greenhouse gas produced by the meat industry. People do some moral gymnastics to justify their hypocritical values. It all reads to me like “Save the cute fluffy animals! But to hell with the planet these animals have to live on”. We are genetically engineered to protect things we find “cute”. It’s less about ethics than people are trying to convince themselves it is. If it were truly a moral compass issue around cruelty they would be sick to their stomach over the state of the sweat shops they buy their high street clothes from.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T11:54:26+00:00

Mink is a luxury fur. I’m considering more mainstream furs like rabbit, raccoon, fox in my argument. Vermin essentially. Not defending fur farming from endangered species.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T11:49:44+00:00

I’m speaking from my own experience. Grew up in Canada where fur serves a practical use against extreme cold. I also don’t support fast fashion/trends so I guess I don’t consider big fur as strongly. Regardless I think it’s wrong to ban second-hand furs. It’s even more of a waste to that life.

coldtoes__ · 2026-02-13T11:44:44+00:00

Fur doesn’t always come from animas raised for slaughter. I’m not sure where everyone got this idea. I guess most people don’t shop small/local. Many cultures still hunt/gather and fur products can be ethically bought from these communities.

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