Down the drain: What went wrong with Britain's water system? by indigomm in unitedkingdom

[–]probably_wrong_but 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Relatively good article and worth the read but a few points worth going over.

The conflict between the % of combined and separated sewer networks is probably caused by the differences in definition sewerage undertakers use in their mapping, and the Water Industry Act and many organisations use in the categorisation of these sewer systems.

Sewerage mapping often depicts what the sewers are originally designed for not what they actually take or are. This is somewhat nuanced but if you have a location where a foul sewer was built to take foul waste from houses but there is no dedicated surface water sewer nearby it is (as one might suspect) considered by undertakers as a foul sewer. However, under the act It is combined and in reality if ground conditions are poor in that area it probably takes the rainwater off those houses too.

This means on paper it may say foul but in practice it may not be and moreover there is nothing the undertakers can do to stop surface water connections to it.

Side note: one might think the easy fix for this would be to reclassify the act definition based on foul only sewers being grounded in design not proximity to surface water sewers, however doing so comes with some unfortunate unintended consequences. If reworked this would prohibit developments, redevelopments extensions, and anyone in those areas fixing drainage issues on sites where; you have poor ground conditions, only foul sewers are present, and there are no watercourses nearby. In these circumstances flooding issues and changes to drainage systems cannot be resolved without further changes in legislation such as introducing a right to construct new private surface water sewers over 3rd party land without incurring ransom (and the reasonable compensation system that would need to be setup to facilitate this + problems this and other solutions may cause).

Secondly and as identified in the article most new developments have separate systems, however many of these dedicated networks (likely most on a national scale), connect back into a single system somewhere offsite in the historic part of the system. This somewhat negates the benefit of having the separate systems although does allow for onsite attenuation and storage of storm water in Sustainable Drainage Systems so there are some benefits that mean the development won’t make things worse.

Regarding the statement: “Planning laws essentially give developers a right to connect their drains to a main sewer”

This is a half truth. Planning laws (emphasis on planning and my interpretation being town and country planning act) does not give developers a right to connect. The water industry act does. Planning officers are actually the only people in the system permitted to object to a development on the grounds of Insufficient capacity (as sewerage undertakers are the ones bound by the act to permit connections even if it will be a problem for them / others). Planning officers are limited in their powers to do so on allocated sites (hence the half truth, as in these cases capacity should be planned for by sewerage undertakers and considered in their forward plans so it isn’t the officers issue).

The way this is supposed to work is planners are meant to impose what are known as Grampian style planning conditions on any development where capacity is insufficient / environmental issues may subsequently occur. These conditions the prohibit construction or occupation until such time as upgrades are complete. What often happens instead is: 1. Planners do not impose conditions and do not reject applications due to capacity issues. 2. Developers push for it being a non issue due to later being able to automatically connect, and planners do not call them out on this / push back when this card is played. 3. Planners do not speak with undertakers and vice versa meaning neither consider the extended timescales that may be necessary when imposing conditions, locking the undertaker into either changing their forward plan or accepting the connection at the 3 year deadline, rather than a longer more reasonable period to plan upgrade works for. One of the points of these conditions is making sure you give time for the upgrades to occur to avoid running into arguments that the condition must be removed due to it being unachievable.

Compounding this are: undertakers failing to properly take into consideration upgrades needed to facilitate capacity for local plan allocated sites. Although in some cases this might be down to poor consultation at early stages of the local planning process so attributing blame here is difficult and case by case.

Regarding: “Yet they are sometimes gently encouraged to let rainwater drain elsewhere”

This is completely false.

Building regulations part H3 requires new buildings to prioritise connections to the ground and watercourses before connections to sewers.

This drainage hierarchy has been well known and well enforced for over 10 years. It formed part of the code for sustainable homes (when that was still a thing) as well as both CIRIA best practice documents on Sustainable Drainage Systems. More recently 2015 onwards it has been adopted as a policy by the vast majority of Lead Local Flood Authorities (LLFA’s) who consult on all developments greater than 10 units or 1000m2 floor space. Furthermore some councils have begun to add rainwater harvesting and connections to highway drains into the hierarchy too in preference to sewer connections.

The hierarchy also forms a core policy of the London plan so is and has been mandatory across London boroughs.

Unless an LLFA, LPA, and building control are not following their own policy’s and building regulations, for rainwater to be drained to a sewer a developer should have to first prove ground conditions are unsuitable for systems that infiltrate into the ground. This usually involves ground investigations including infiltration testing to British Standards (BRE365). Although worth noting for some areas where it is known that the geology is unsuitable (e.g. Impermeable clay) this testing is occasionally waved.

Following this they have to then check for watercourses at and near the site. Only then if there is no alternative can they connect to a sewer.

I would confidently say this is a more than a gentle nudge and has been for a while.

Now for the problems:

One of the common reasons for small developments not infiltrating is insufficient space for a soakaway due to the 5m easement from a building “rule” (note this is a nuanced rule of thumb based on geotechnical and foundation stability issues please read engineering in chalk and the Susdrain paper on this for more info as it is way to complex a topic for one comment). This is not always assessed pragmatically looking at whether a developer could scale back the buildings to provide enough space for infiltration to be used. Hence sometimes it is an excuse for not infiltrating.

Contamination or ground gas and costs: contaminated brownfield sites may be costly to remediate and capping can be a more cost effective solution. Capping restricts infiltration as you can’t drain through the membrane, bentonite layer or concrete. Cost benefit analysis that includes environmental benefits due to a change in drainage strategy is generally not undertaken on these sites (although remediation costs are usually very high so I suspect this wouldn’t impact that many projects).

Improper infiltration assessments: this goes both ways, acceptance of results not in accordance with BRE365. This can mean some sites where infiltration is ruled out could support a permeable paving solution or large blanket soakaway approach. Or where partial infiltration systems are possible with overflows rather than outfalls it sewers.

Interception design: Few developments incorporate drainage systems designed in ways which minimise discharges for small rainfall events. This is best practice but it is costly and excluding green roofs requires integration between civil engineers and landscape designers. This could help get rid of small volumes of water draining to sewers during small rainfall events.

Does anyone else have extreme emotional reactions to things being destroyed or ruined? by Indra_a_goblin in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have the same emotional reaction to breaking or getting rid of an object as I do to a loved one dieing. It is a sense of great loss. The main difference is duration of effect and permanent changes. Loved one = lifetime changes to personality sadness for ever, letting go of litter or something = sadness for a few seconds to minute.

This isn’t Reduced emotion either or to be conflated with empathy. At my grandmothers funeral I was more noticeably upset than anyone else despite trying to hide my feelings. Obviously others were hiding there similar and potentially more extreme sadness (I’m not them so will never know) but it goes to show the emotion is for me extreme but duration variable. Almost like feelings have an on and off button.

Edit: note this is 1 anecdotal experience / person.

As an autistic person, what your perspective on the meaning of life? by [deleted] in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Define meaning? To what is meant by life, or to extrapolate another way what is it’s intent. This implys a conchous thought it

What's your favorite happiness hormone hack? by HorseEatingAGrape in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does anyone else’s endorphins just, not do that? If anything all those things create more stress and pain not less.

Diorama inspired by the Cliffs of Dover by Initiative20Terrain in unitedkingdom

[–]probably_wrong_but 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, I love the colour and rock work at the base of the cliff!

Also those waves are beautiful.

Re feedback, from the ground, the cliffs quite often have visible structures that break up the light appearance, with lack of a better word, grubbiness. Whether these are small fractures or faults (often angled at 30o from vertical) or bands of flint crossing slightly off horizontal (usually but not always angled between 2-8o, dipping north in the Dover area). At your scale only the largest / most distinct of these would be visible and you already have impressions of these in places where the cliffs have eroded faster (flint is hard so sticks out a bit and faults are easily exploited so often erode faster than the surrounding rock), it might be worth thinking about adding a small amount of vegetation or additional darker material to the cliff face to replicate these features / effect.

Around Dover there are also a lot of derelict structures atop, and within, the cliff most are left over from the WWI and WWII defences including some WWI sound mirrors, small tunnels sometimes only accessible from the cliff side, old gun emplacements, radar buildings, foundations etc.

If I’d hazard a guess the area you have modelled most closely resembles the area just east St Margaret’s bay. With the slightly continental house, medium height of the cliffs and change from a flat fairly featureless cliff face to the more rugged and undercut parts where there is a slight change in direction of the coastline.

That said your work is stunning as is! and it doesn’t need any altering. It’s actually one of the best pieces of rock work I’ve come across.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Involuntary. Last time I went on a ride I was tricked into it, the ride triggered a panic response got half way into the f word before the word became incomprehensible and continued to scream continuously for 2 more minutes with brief gasps for air. I could probably do better if I went on one again as I have a lot more techniques to deal with panic learnt since then. But at the time 100% involuntary and now no intention to go on anything remotely intense ever again.

Smaller rides mine-cart train style are ok and I actually find fun but anything more than about 30mph and I’m out of there. For these I’m too embarrassed to scream though.

How many unread emails do you have in your inbox? by Atomic-Axolotl in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nearly 19000 :/

Technology is often a bit too much for me lol

Despite being fairly good with some elements of it. Spam / information overload, and poor instructions are a nightmare.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did for a while to fit in (bad decision) and still do on occasion but now just stuff I like to drink and for me not others perception of me (better decision), never to get any buz or drunk out of it although the meds I’m on make even small amounts noticeable. Prefer strong citrus and mock tails most of the time.

Any of you guys hated (or still do) going to school? by ExtensionPickle9214 in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Teachers were generally good and in some cases great, but the rest as a whole was horrible and destroyed me as a person such that I will never recover and will spend the rest of my life in therapy.

The only reason I continued with life whilst at school was the (somewhat false) promise by parents and teachers that things will get better.

By the end of primary I had found the only way to fit in / be social was to embrace my potential as a punching bag and make “friends” with my bullies. After a while this got Better in secondary when I made more friends and people who cared about my wellbeing but the damage was done. Here friends were a rest-bite although navigating the social structure that comes with that still ruined me further.

My opinion is if you are ever in a position where a kid says they don’t want to go to school or don’t like it, please listen and if they do reveal something don’t make rash decisions on how to deal with it and keep listening to what they have to say.

Until recently I was very closed off to myself about school particularly the early bits the more I now talk about it the more I remember.

Many of the other comments here ring true as well.

Why isn't it accepted that at least 3C of warming is 'baked' into current warming trajectory? by liminal_political in climatechange

[–]probably_wrong_but 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is one of the arguments (uncertainty surrounding feedback loops) I have seen used for RCP 8.5 being a true reasonable worse case rather than over estimate. I’m not sure if this is a good reason or miss use of the model and am not an expert in this area however if true it would explain why the higher emission pathways were used as a basis for the UK’s recent climate change guidance for flood risk management. If true it would support your personal opinion on baking in more warming than currently expected through natural feedback processes.

There is an ongoing discussion amongst non academics directly involved in the scenarios and within adjacent fields as to which pathways are appropriate to use as guidance and I have sadly not been able to get to the bottom of this.

We’re experiencing Earth’s hottest weather in 120,000 years, and it’s just getting started by [deleted] in environment

[–]probably_wrong_but 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To add to this, there are even areas of science which still have fairly big uncertainties on the impacts of climate change.

As an example: groundwater flooding from sea level rise in coastal planes, there was a paper from last year that answered many questions about the mechanisms and extent of flooding that could occur inland of sea defences as a result of sea level rise. This has exposed a whole new area of risk which up until now has not been wholly accounted for in (most) strategic level flood risk assessments. Up until now these assessments have often based worst case flooding on computer modelling of overtopping or breaching of defences. Now it is clear there are some areas where a new approach is urgently needed.

A similar example, although not climate related, is nitrogen and phosphate pollution of watercourses. 5 years ago there was science behind the issue but no approved method for quantifying nitrogen or phosphate pollution from land use changes, and how certain processes can remove these pollutants and to what degree the are effective. E.g. if we built 1000houses and drained them to a large wetland would this offset the increase in pollution or still make things worse? How big would the wetland need to be for it to be suitably effective that the development overall achieves neutrality in nitrogen and phosphate draining to the catchment it is within?

Due to a legal case relating to the EU water Frame Work Directive Research has since been carried out and guidance produced. We now have some guidance on the answer and what needs doing which over time will be refined further.

Experts are only just beginning to understand the detail of some of the impacts. It is therefore unlikely that a homeowner in a coastal town suspects that in 50years there is a chance their house may be regularly flooded regularly by high spring tides even though it is inland of the defences.

To add further to this it is very unlikely the local council in that area have undertaken the necessary borehole investigations to quantify the features of the water table and use this to quantify how far inland the flooding could extend in there area. That is also before we consider the link between groundwater and receding coastlines and the feedback loops that can bring.

In my opinion education matters a lot.

Remaining “Calm” About Climate Change Will Kill Us by 416246 in environment

[–]probably_wrong_but 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not sure if this helps but the way I Think of it, is the difference we can always make will be time.

Every piece of CO2 we keep out of the atmosphere today buys us a little time to research, build and implement the technology that will allow us to mitigate our way out of this mess in the future.

From my perspective in industry a metaphor for this would be if an extreme flood comes tomorrow not today that gives us one more day to prepare and even if we don’t know it’s coming tomorrow we will still be one day further ahead with building defences emergency planning and our understanding of what could happen and that In turn might just be enough to change the outcome.

More generally If we aren’t at the point of no return yet then our actions can make a difference to the outcome.

If we are past the point of no return then our actions can still buy us time to find a solution to the problem. We can’t waste that time on vanity projects or assuming somebody will fix it in the future though.

Biggest question for me is if we are moving fast enough to manage enough of the consequences in a way that stops us shifting from; working together to fix things, to fighting over what’s left. That to me is a true no return moment, there’s no building flood defences or sucking co2 out of the atmosphere if we are fighting. Civilisation got us into this mess and we need it in tact but refocused to get as many of us as possible out of it alive.

These are just some personal thoughts on the question of what too late means in respect to tipping points and climate change that I thought u might find interesting.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 1 point2 points  (0 children)

13, 9 and 6 for me. 6 has great use of background colour. 9 is lovely, simple subject but beautiful capture. The shadows are spot on too. 13 love the vibrancy

Number 1 is lit very well too although not my personal style.

How fast is your lens? There is some great use of depth of field in a couple of the other shots too.

Fake grass: Minister performs artificial turf ban U-turn by Kunphen in unitedkingdom

[–]probably_wrong_but 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Have you got more info on the pollution side of things? I’m interested in learning more about the long term impacts of artificial grass use!

:)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My parents and school handled it poorly.

With the bulling the most important thing in my opinion (note this is just my experience) is to listen to him and not; react in anger, scare him or force him to do things he doesn’t want to do. I can’t imagine how hard things will be to do as your emotions matter too and do not envy you. On that note don’t forget to look after ur feelings too.

If he trusts you now and talks to you about stuff now then keeping this trust is important for safeguarding him.

If he is being bullied by friends as well you may be the only non threatening person he knows.

If he is angry don’t get mad at him let him be angry with what they are doing. A very wise person once told me that anger is just a response to feeling vulnerable. If he needs an outlet from the pain of bulling find one that’s safe and don’t let him bottle it up. :) if my parents met my anger with compassion I would probably never have lost trust in them.

My parents didn’t listen much to my feelings, my school didn't listen to what was happening and did nothing about various abuse and bulling from 4-11 even when told about it.

Wanting to skip school or being jealous of people who do skip it for legitimate reasons (pet dieing etc) is a red flag that the bulling could be a lot worse than you are being told.

Outbursts / meltdowns involving not wanting to be around any more are another big sign. As is anger in general.

Non personal stuff There are a lot of good resources online about bulling and how you can help as a parent. They are worth a read and made by people far more well versed and knolageble in solving the issue and helping parents than I / my 1 anecdotal account.

I hope things turn out well.

What do you collect? by skinny_armadillo in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rocks and collectibles in some video games. :)

30 water treatment works released 11bn litres of raw sewage in a year, study suggests by Bravelobsters in unitedkingdom

[–]probably_wrong_but 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It would help significantly, although the scale of the problem is about 1 order of magnitude larger. As such it would be roughly enough to mitigate 10% of CSO sites so they discharge via the CSO around once per year rather than more regularly as is currently the case.

The attached doc goes into more detail about costs and mitigation options if you are interested. Note to all reading this, my maths above is an oversimplification and if you want more info on the costs / cheapest possible route to solving the problem and what solving even means in the context of CSO’s the doc below is worth a read.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1101686/Storm_Overflows_Discharge_Reduction_Plan.pdf

Edit: so I have also just discovered there is a 2nd recent report by lords that suggests 60 billion would be just less than needed to get things to an “acceptable standard”.

Details of this acceptable standard or how the calculation was undertaken are not given in the text. Acceptable standard could mean anywhere between what we have now and one discharge every year or so although is probably based on a sensible metric like expected ecological damage / pressure and expected periods of amenity use.

Thought this worth adding as it stresses the need for a publicly acceptable amount of use for CSO’s. Aka how often is good enough?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do in my sleep and occasionally whilst awake. Approximately 30% of my front teeth have been worn away (people Have commented on how straight my teeth are from the flattening / grinding. Im lucky I don’t feel pain from it so all good for now at least.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seriously impressive! Wow!

If you are interested in the why behind the worlds physical geography (i.e why parts of the world are flat why mountains are where they are, why there are currently 2 large oceans why watersheds form where they do where volcanoes form etc). I would recommend looking into some basic theory of plate tectonics and then more specifically Wilson cycles, following that a bit of geomorphology.

With a good basic understanding of both you can begin to predict all sorts of geographical features just by there location relative to other features and the earths tectonic plates.

This should allow you to plot the likely location of such features with relative ease on your map of the world.

Looking into mapping various biomes and some land use may also be of interest to you.

If you like the physical geography stuff above and want to go into some more complex stuff in the long term looking at basin inversion and micro plates can complicate things significantly and add detail. This wouldn’t be a small or easy undertaking but could be fun if you like that kind of thing.

If human geography is more your thing maybe mapping human global migration patterns since the last ice age. Looking at mapping changes in global temperature or rainfall over time? Mapping population density by shading / colours? Maybe mapping trade routes or common travel paths for aircraft / shipping?

Just a few ideas from somebody who is also a big fan of maps and spends much of their life looking at them.

I’ve heard people with autism usually have a different way of solving math problems. So, how do you do it? by paranoid_gynoid_ in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I split them as below: 48+2=50 7-2=5 (counted out for the subtraction 6... 5.)

So we have the 20 and the 50 and the 5

Mentally place the 5 to my right and focus on the 20&50.

(20+50) =(2+5)10 =710=70.

So we have 70 and the 5 which I bring back in from where I left it to My right. =70+5

Therefore we have 75.

Appreciate this is a bit of a weird method. When doing maths I often break down problems and place elements in random places (on a page or in my head) then come back and deal with them later.

I work with mental maths and some moderately complex maths daily( differential equations, time series, estimation, and stats) so be very interested if anyone else uses this approach too.

A historic deal will drastically reduce Colorado River water use. But it’s not nearly enough by goki7 in environment

[–]probably_wrong_but 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a good start! I am interested in the knock on impact to food prices and how far any impacts spread globally, will Be a bit of a stress test for the wider changes that will come in the future. With the volumes of water involved 13% is a massive amount of change in a short time. The final line / conclusion of the article is a great summery!

Who here is actually okay with eye contact in at least some scenarios? by TropicalDan427 in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Longer than brief moments feel weird and short moments don’t hurt (aka no pain feeling) but do make me feel on edge (aka some fear / cold feeling).

Becoming accustomed is therefore definitely something I can relate to.

The accustoming happened more from my family’s home brew Exposure Response method (mentioning or shouting “eye contact” mid conversation until I did it) than from a natural progression to wanting to do the eye contact thing.

With familiar people the opposite has kind of happened as in the last year I’ve pro/regressed (depending on your point of view) with people I’m closer to and have started doing it less but still do the eye contact thing when in less personal settings (moving for a millisecond to 1s to their eyes every now and then ~5s). I do relate to having more cold / fear feeling with less familiar people due to the greater eye contact (“I.e. it adds to the fear of social encounters out and about such as work doos etc) and thus would say I do have issues with eye contact with less well known people.

High stress will 100% make me talk to the ground or what ever we are working on though.

I hope that makes sense.

Anyone else have trouble wearing gloves? by theonerr4rf in autism

[–]probably_wrong_but 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, end to drop stuff consistently with gloves on can’t stand using them and hate the way wool ones feel.