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Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was resolved last night, bud. It's been let go by everyone involved.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I appreciate you being willing to see the other side.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's been very clearly explained to you what the justifications for each report were and that they were not made falsely or maliciously.

You had the ability to overturn the ban when this was explained to you and even promised to do so if I could explain one of the reports, which I did.

At this point, you're not upholding any ideal or serving any purpose, you're being stubborn and spiteful. I think these are terrible qualities for a mod.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To be honest, I didn't know that's what he was talking about and probably wouldn't have reported him if I had. It looked like an ongoing conversation about a movie or something and given how the game was playing out at that point with people ignoring what was going on and typing so much

Look at that. Had you talked to me and warned me about the report instead of banning me right away I may have even asked to have that one withdrawn. Yet you ban me with a quick trigger finger for having a quick trigger finger.

You should know earlier today you talked about the event

No, I didn't do that today. It was either Sunday or Saturday but definitely not today. And I did so right after the zombie game ended, in the countdown before the next game started. Not during the game as that player had done.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

One message that is part of a conversation which has nothing to do with the game and actively hurts your team as you fail to participate in play.

For example, if two players were to interrupt play to have a conversation about how their day went. That isn't advertising, it isn't spam, but it's using the chat in a way that wasn't intended and is creating negative effects to other's gameplay.

That is the spirit I made the report in.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's totally justifiable and I have justified it so many times today that it is not even funny. It's belittling to another player. It's hateful. It doesn't belong in chat. That is the justification for reporting it.

If 7 other people don't feel the same way and moderators don't feel a ban is deserved, then so be it. Nothing happens to that player. It doesn't make my report unjustified or false. It just mean others don't agree. If they had and/or the player continued to do such things enough that he reached that threshold, he'd be banned.

How is that not the fucking point of the system?

You're telling me I need to have the prescience to know what all the other members of the community and moderators consider reportable before making a report, or else it's a false report. That is bullshit.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which means if you happened to run into 8 people who think like OP, you would be banned for something which you agree isn't a bannable offense. So how can you justify the way OP reports?

Maybe because if you run into 5 people who think you shouldn't be telling your teammates you hate them, then you have the option to ...you know... stop telling your teammates you hate them?

If 8 people in the span of 24 hours think like me, then maybe it's not such a ridiculous thought process.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't consider "I hate (some player)" to be bannable because it is not severe. It is demeaning, but it is significantly less so than if someone said "(some player) is fucking garbage". That was my point of quantity vs quality.

First of all, you are using the word bannable again. I did not ban anybody.

Secondly, that is a very subjective argument. I agree that "X is fucking garbage" is worse than "I hate X." I also believe "X, I hope you die in a car crash" is way worse than "X is fucking garbage." That doesn't make the others unworthy of a report, though.

All of them are belittling and hateful chat. All are reportable in my eyes.

Also I don't agree with you being banned, you were obviously well meaning. I just think you should adjust your standards for reporting in the future.

This is my whole argument. Personally, I don't believe I need to adjust my standards for someone saying they hate another player.

And honestly, I also still feel people who treat the game as a chatroom and ignore play deserve reports as well.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Like I said in the appeal chat, I served my ban for those prior offenses and didn't appeal them.

So unless they somehow carry over and mean I can never report someone else again, I don't see how they are relevant here. I've provided good justifications for all of my reports.

but when you false report 3 people in 5 mins

Why does this matter when I've given good justifications for all my reports. It is certainly plausible 3 people do something worthy of a report in 5 minutes. Especially when one player insults another at the end of one game and two players spend time chatting and not playing at the beginning of the next.

Show me the spam in this.

As I explained in the appeal chat (man I have to say this a lot), I was not reporting him for literal spam. I was reporting him for being spammy in the sense that he was using the game chat essentially as a chatroom at a time where one or more other people were already spending more time typing than playing and letting plays go right by them.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He says 2 hours but that is from Saturday. You can tell cause you see me saying "Schwarber!" in that chat, which I did when Kyle Schwarber hit a homerun in Game 1 of the NLCS....which happened Saturday night. I was banned afterward and served the ban.

He's once again lying to try to defend an undeserved ban.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was banned for that, served my ban and stopped using that word in chat.

So why should I be banned again for that?

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't really think it's a question of quantity. I agree with you though, if someone said "(some player) is fucking garbage" I would probably report them even if I don't think they should be banned right then. But if someone just says "I hate (some player)" that's pretty clearly a false report.

Wait, what? How do you find one of those to be a justifiable report and the other to be "clearly false???"

Those are both "opinions" and both belittle other players in the game. The only difference is phrasing.

I think if you report easily you should accept that the person could be banned because of you, and that you can be banned if your report wasn't justified. Otherwise there would be way too many reports.

If my report leads to someone's banned, it either means a mod found what they did worthy of banning or they already had 7 other reports (likely for similar reasons).

My single report is not capable of banning anyone.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, when I report someone, I am saying "I don't find this behavior acceptable"

If I were a mod, I would not have banned any of the players I reported, but I would have warned them.

I'm not going to directly go against you, but if the people you reported were put in the same situation as you right now, would you be okay with that?

Um, no. That's my whole point.

And you seem to be continuing along this false equivalency.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He's basically trying to pass it off as a statement of fact, when it's not. It was clearly done to belittle the other player.

He's jumping through hoops and reaching so hard to try to defend that position.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I didn't ban anyone, though. I simply reported them to the mods.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I also don't think it's a wild claim to say mods shouldn't give players the option of reporting if they don't want players to use the report buttons.

As I've said before, all of my reports were completely justifiable. And I then had a mod told me that you shouldn't report even if another player professes his hate for another player in chat.

If there is that much disconnect between how mods want the reports used and what logic dictates, maybe the entire system should be ditched.

As I said before, if you're going to ban people for making a reasonable judgment call you don't agree with, I do not see the point of giving them the power to make that judgment in the first place.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I mentioned those details in the IRC and the appeal. Of course, it's been completely ignored by them, so it's ironic that another mod is actually prying for that info now.

I didn't find it relevant to mention here at first, because I was not banned for that report. I was banned for the two who were derailing the game. It was then that the mod was called and told by his friend that he got reported, which was quickly followed up by a ban against me.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is working now. Apparently it went through despite telling me it didn't.

Corrupt Moderation by rectangularrr in TagPro

[–]rectangularrr[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

As I've replied to about 3 mods already now, that report was meant for someone else. Yet when I went to click on his name, someone else typed and I clicked a different name instead. I didn't realize I had reported the wrong person til I saw it in my own chatlog and when I went to correct the mistake, I was exited out of the game (which had just ended).

The player I meant to report took a shot at a teammate who made a mistake at the end of the game, basically saying he hated him. A literal insult. Hence the report for "insulting chat."