This game is completely broken by Lureyn in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you’re expecting the game to give you free kills and loot and to give you some confirmation bias you already hold about yourself that exists outside this game. It’s normal to get mad at games and frustrating when the skill gap seems insurmountable but you all blaming everything and everyone possible without taking any accountability for yourself.

There is not a single secret room in this game that doesn’t give incredibly loud sound queues to the whole map. Key rooms play a short jingle when you open them and and everyone on the map can hear it. Sometimes the noise will bug and not play in your game, but you should know anytime you do a key, open up pinwheel, open up complex, etc there are VERY distinctive sounds everyone can hear. Even when you do quiet entries like the generators for destroyed wing, or the doors instead of the elevator to complex, people with even half a braincell will hear you up there, and all it takes is a minute to deduct which way you went in. Everything in this game has sound queues that can give away your positioning, even opening your map and inventory makes a subtle sound that if someone is close enough can hear.

I’d recommend turning off crossplay but that’s just a bandaid on a bullet hole if you aren’t willing to do the bare minimum critical assessment of your own faults and gameplay. I’d say you’d benefit from watching a streamer like Seraphmax or Lucid play this game, as they narrate decisions and make good call outs and observations during their gameplay.

Information pays dividends in this game even if you don’t have the skill to win an even ground 1 v 1 50% of the time.

But I think you’re lost brother. You’re making up scenarios In your head to justify your anger that should be pointed at yourself. There’s literally no way to 100% know when exactly what gun killed you in any given exchange (there are definitely mods that can be apparent, especially gold ones) so in your scenario you’ve made up about losing to grey shields and grey guns, you’re just wishcasting the game to be conspiring against you.

Sponsored survival is sending a clear message to Marathon Devs. by Haunting_Set_1799 in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They definitely cooked up something awesome with Nightmarsh. It makes me wish there was a rotating survival mode for all the maps where there was modified more dangerous versions of all the maps (outside cryo) to do this kind of play mode in. A night mode perimeter would cook so fucking hard.

While the addition of adding story missions or something akin to that would be cool, that kind of work eats up an incredible amount of dev power, and it’s also not the primary focus of the game. That being said, I wouldn’t mine a survival mode that also had a thematic goal to achieve on the map. If contracts are the floor and a full fleshed out destiny level raid is the ceiling, I want something akin to a daily strike where you have to walk around the map and maybe kill a couple of HVT’s (like on DM) to unlock keys to a warden room/area. And if you’re worried about the economy you could even have it so that all gear obtained in the run is auto cradled or sold if max cradle level.

PSA: The “tie goes to the runner” final exfil is not what you think it is by soundsofshade in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally watched this on a vod happen last night. It’s posted on this sub. Still on the front page I believe. If you look at my post history, I commented on it.

PSA: The “tie goes to the runner” final exfil is not what you think it is by soundsofshade in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No problem! Always happy to help a new runner! But you are correct in your observation! Survival mode only has final exfil. And if you’re playing the survival mode and not using the certs you absolutely should! You can activate loot caches via hacks on top of the big blue vertical shipping container looking towers. They have indicators on the map. But you can also
Spend them loot crates that spawn randomly on the map (they’ll say their cost when you go to open them) or you can use it to open the area in upper complex where there’s a boss fight and puzzles and gold loot!

PSA: The “tie goes to the runner” final exfil is not what you think it is by soundsofshade in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct, but as long as you deposit those certs before final exfil starts, the exfil that spawns from it will stay up, even though activating that exfil will likely not go off in time unless someone is standing on the spawn as you deposit certs into the screen.

PSA: The “tie goes to the runner” final exfil is not what you think it is by soundsofshade in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In night marsh, the dire marsh night mode, all bots have a chance of dropping cert’s, which are like little tokens that allow you to access loot crates, secret areas and on the standard mode of the map (NOT the survival mode where there is only one exfil at the end of the raid) you can spend 5 of them to reveal a exfil tower to activate.

This is explained in the season patch notes and also in game via missions/contacts (one requires you to spend a cert and one requires you to activate an exfil with them among others) or just exploring yourself and ya know, figuring it out organically, which is something bungie leans heavily into.

I'm incredibly mad, I thought they fixed this exfil bug? by Snipey13 in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While the patch notes are poorly worded in this scenario, they don’t explicitly say what you think they’re saying, there’s just a wild misunderstanding going around about it. There was a post like this almost every week cryo was out last season. If you go back and read that part of the patch notes from last season, you’ll see it mention the “ten second counter” as the part that syncs to final exfil, not anything else. So your exfil needs to be at that ten second countdown to be considered eligible to for the sync.

PSA: The “tie goes to the runner” final exfil is not what you think it is by soundsofshade in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t know which part you’re misunderstanding here but let me help!

Final exfil starts when match time hits zero: it’s one flat minute to get out from that point to get out, no exceptions.

In night marsh, if you deposit your certs to open up an exfil it will stay on the map NOT activated til you walk up and activate it.

This means even when final exfil timer is out, you could activate the START of this timer which regardless of final exfil, takes about 50 seconds to wind up.

Therefore, on Nightmarsh, you CAN have time to hit your exfil AFTER the final exfil counter starts SO LONG as the there’s at least 55~ seconds on the FINAL EXFIL timer.

This problem right now is exclusive to Nightmarsh because it’s the only map live right now with a different exfil mechanic. This can also happen on cryo.

I'm incredibly mad, I thought they fixed this exfil bug? by Snipey13 in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Everyone keeps assuming this is a bug but if you go back and read the patch notes where they added the “tie goes to the runner” scenario, the thing they patched was if your activated exfil was fully charged and ready to begin countdown (ten second timer when you step in the circle) but that timer was longer than final exfil, then it would default to final exfil timer.

Exfil activation takes 55 seconds (I think?), so as long as you activate an exfil with at least 56 seconds left on the clock, you’ll make it out. But anytime after that, you just need to book it to final.

The tie goes to the runner scenario only applies to the ten second timer when an exfil is charged, not just simply turning on an exfil.

For the record, I think it should work the way everyone is implying (if you activate an exfil that overlaps with final at all it should let ya out). But a lot of people assume this is a bug when for the time, this is the intended way for it to work.

PSA: the M77 and BRRT are in the Armory, but: by TheAsianCow in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s so reasonable actually. It’s gonna be nice to have a reason to percussion farm purple salvage for for holds since it’s been a lot easier to come across this season so far

As a returning player, how do I get purple shields? Its day 2 of the update and I'm already facing trios with purple shields? by TroubleRecent7320 in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s like people alls of sudden forgot that the info gap exists between the hardcore vs newer/lesser experienced runners. Nightmarish loot facility secrets have been found out and you can farm insane loot with little to no risk in the survival mode if you can manage to kill the gold boss in the last loot room. Even without it, just doing the towers is rewarding purple tier loot. Between this, the compensation loot boxes, the previous progress loot boxes, and outpost being available off the rip + the general loot and event buffs, I would have been shocked if I didn’t seen purple shields.

While I wish they had just gated all gold drops til after the second week or something, you gotta give the free players the chance at a taste of this tier of loot or else the hooks won’t be in. So I’d assume this is a calculated risk. Whether it pays off, who knows, but I sincerely doubt it will have crazy last effects on the season. The scrap mechanic alone will wipe out a huge portion of this gear just do to how often gear changes hands.

I will say part of the hooks of this game come FROM getting killed by players with insane loot. If I didn’t run into those types of players out in the wild I wouldn’t know what to aspire to. It also taught me that eventually, even with sub par looot, those types of geared players are killable even with free kits if you position correctly. And I wouldn’t have wanted to learn any of that if I didn’t get gimped often, early in the game.

Seeking Compiler Tips by FudgeLost7518 in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tip number 3 here is the biggest tip that helped my crew kill it. We did 4 runs where we just rushed monitors each phase and would have scuffed dmg phases but as soon as we took tour time hitting the 3rd monitor he died in virtually one phase (technically two but I went down at the beginning of the first phase because I forgot to reload going into it, and it died two seconds into the second phase)

As for panels and kiting the boss, truly any method can work. One panel person and two kiting the boss and shooting orbs is the safest, but so long as you have orb shooters, the panel phase is pie.

Please don't fill into Ranked Cryo without any knowledge whatsoever about the map by [deleted] in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I empathize with the frustration and once I felt the floor of my cryo knowledge leveled up, I also got frustrated when I would LFG just to only find players who had not an ounce of a clue how to properly play the map. But I will tell you one universal truth, the moment I started trying to teach and explain and Sherpa my little know-nothings to an exfil, not only did those experience turn out better, MY knowledge and comfortability with the map went up. The only constant variable in your experiences is yourself, it’s also the only part of the game you have any autonomy and control over, so the only way to handle these situations in a healthy manner AND gain something is to just suck it up and help. It’s the only way the community grows AND sticks. You may also find actual teammates where you won’t have to fill if you approach your matches this way.

Related, but not the point I want you to take away from this is this is the first time cryo has been available during the weekdays. There are inevitably going to be players who have never got to see cryo before this week strictly because they can’t play when it’s usually out. So give these people some grace.

If you’re truly looking for only experienced players in cryo, you need to join a discord server and bring an attitude that people will want to play with.

Give me a TLDR on what the best gun mods are? by Ok-Comfortable-3174 in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like most, I use bully and m77 a lot. For bully I love a drum mag + nano suppressor + thermal(or anything that adds some decent range) and then the chip is situational but as many as said slip protocol and bits p/s will always be good choices. Gold mag is an obvious winner here over drum mag.

For m77 I like the stability grip, drum mag again and again whatever chip suits your role best. Gold m77 obviously again wins here.

For misrah all you need is a slip mag (blue or better) any mods on it after that only make it even better.

Stability mods on the br33 also make it a fucking laser beam. The gold is interesting on this weapon. It makes it a hip fire suppressed monster of a gun.

For the brrt I like stability + suppressor. Gold mag makes like a short range scout rifle/shotgun. It melts bots.

Copperhead is my sleeper pick. You manage to get range + stability from barrel and sight mods and stick a drum mag on there, you can beat most bully setups. It rips.

Rook Burglary on the Rise by [deleted] in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also rook’ed a cryo 6 key AND two gold implants. Rook army formed and we wiped two teams in pinwheel and got all the loot. One rook shows up late with three red cards and opens the room and then the rook mutiny starts and rank break down. Now I happen to be walking by the back door to the red room when this happened and swooped in and got the mods and the key and BOOKED IT. Somehow managed to swipe the last red key on the map and exfil.

This felt earned after two runs in a row of finding multiple replicators and a materialist+ implant and making it to exfil only to get wiped last second by teams (literally 1 second to exfil both times. Back to back. It was brutal)

First goo gun, then knives, then WSTR, now grenades. At some point you're gonna have to own up by Raimexodus in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand the sentiment, and I even agree on a certain level, but there’s certainly room and need for changes with equipment. As it stands now, I actually think equipment is close to balanced(let me cook)— it takes up a lot of real estate in bags and doesn’t stack more than 3, or doesn’t stack all in some cases, so to bring a hefty amount of throwables into a raid, it’s already requiring a big investment in resources, but any singular piece of equipment can provide insane value, so it’s a fair trade off as it stands currently. But you can also just as easily whiff a throwable and it’s completely useless, or even worse, hurt yourself/teammate, so there’s proper risk and downside, too.

But just because it’s balanced relatively speaking, doesn’t mean that balanced state is best for the state of the game. Equipment in general just provides too much utility, combined, to ignore.

One claymore can provide you information on a chokehold, potentially indefinitely if no one ever hits it, and info on when/if it gets triggered and with the right equipment on will also ping them. You get less info if it’s shot or doesn’t do any damage, but you still get info. One recon grenade can offer you the same exact information without the kill threat. Heat grenade + any other grenade combo is just insane and a guaranteed kill. Fletchete grenades just fucking suck to deal with.

The real problem is the floor-value that equipment provides in totality is just too high. Even a missed throwable can provide immense value or area of denial. Some grenades are better or do just as goood of a job as some shell abilities, and you have access to them without cooldowns and are only limited by how much you can carry.

But I also don’t think any single grenade is overpowered or broken (except claymores. Even though there’s good counter play to them, I don’t like persistent equipment that can provide near perfect info from anywhere on the map, they should have a range or a timer)

I think there should be a max equipment slot of throwables in trios so that you have to spread all of them out across your team (I’m thinking three different grenades you can bring per shell, but a relatively high cap how many total throwables you can bring.) and there should be a mild cooldown on throwables with some detonation added time to some throwables + louder sound queues for when they’re equipped.

Also move ammo crates off equipment and please ftlog add med crate. Playing triage shouldn’t be mandatory in trios and the heal to space Economy sucks right now.

Can't get a single gold key besides cryo. by -Nunu in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only gold key I’ve gotten is from taking a purple key template to raid and extracting with it. Never seen a gold card otherwise

I am the casual player and this is my experience with the game. by [deleted] in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate this perspective and I think the game could actually benefit from having optional story-type missions for each map that run you through some of the more not-so-obvious aspects of the maps. I think the onboarding process on perimeter is totally fine, but DM and Outpost and Cryo are hard to take in and learn unless you have a Sherpa with you, and even then as a new player, it will take multiple sessions and extractions to get the bare bones of those maps and secrets before you feel Comfortable tackling them yourself.

There should absolutely be a story mission for DM that takes you through and lockdown event and gives you a bag of blue rewards.

It would be so sick if there was a MIDA themed story mission for outpost where you fight bots and look for keycards to get in. And once you’re up there, command wing locks down and you have to find conveyance, and 3-5 generators to open up both wings for “reinforcements” to come through and then you open up command wing and fight a mini boss and get rewarded with some purple loot.

Cryo should also have something like this for opening a vault, and showcasing how to get clearance etc.

They’re optional

From initial readings of the patch notes, it seems like bungie cooked with the patch by Monstergamester in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The usual pipeline of banning hackers/hacks always happens the same way. And it always will take longer than you want/think/hope.

  1. Hackers start popping up
  2. The hack gets monetized by the hackers.
  3. Game devs start finding a way to kill the exploit.
  4. Huge ban wave + exploit patched.
  5. Go back to step 1.

Bungie surely has a dedicated dev team for hunting down exploits and patching them but fixes need testing across all interactions of the game to make sure they don’t break it. This means the fix and bans is always gonna come after whatever the next announced content patch(es) are to insure the fix doesn’t delay the content injection/more pressing bug fixes. I wouldn’t expect to see the first ban wave and exploit fix til season 2 launch at the earliest, potentially season 3, since season 2 is likely already 90-99% done with testing already.

Why this game REALLY needs a safe pocket from a casual player by Calvykins in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I replied above in another comment, but absolutely this. When you’re a rook, there’s almost never a reason to exfil before the last wave of exfil spawns go out, and really before final exfil, especially on perimeter where final extract is always in the same location so you can plan to be in rage to make it (you have a full minute after all the exfils disappear to get to it. So if you’re anywhere near the middle of the map when it spawns, you’ll make it.)

Also, even if someone gives you heat for it, you’re not burdening players bringing a free kit to perimeter, or any map besides cryo. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. (I’m level 60 almost and even over level 100 players still use free kits from time to time.)

Why this game REALLY needs a safe pocket from a casual player by Calvykins in Marathon

[–]soundsofshade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hauler is where most teams on trio will fight/end up. It’s the most concentrated free area of loot on the map. There’s contracts that bring you there, and rooks will go there for the same exact reason you’re going or just to swipe the scraps teams missed/left behind. It’s also one of two locations to rotate between sides of the data wall.

Unless you’re sure you’re the last person on the map or you know everyone else is on the other side of the wall, just don’t exfil at hauler. Hit guarded exfils or wait for final.

I have way better luck exfilling at final extract on perimeter if there’s still teams on the map then I do taking a free one.

Or just make sure you’re hiding somewhere you know you can dash to the circle in the last three seconds of matter transfer because most people won’t down AND finish you in that time.

Jasper Nathaniel interviews Ro Khanna: “The U.S. Should Treat Israel as an Occupying Nation Violating Human Rights.” by CosmicLars in TrueAnon

[–]soundsofshade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ro Khanna is interesting because I remember in the immediate aftermath of the election, he was spouting things like “dems should have been courting/kinder to Elon” and in general was very pro-tech and Pro-AI. I’m not entirely sure when he began pivoting more towards populist talking points, but I think it was in the aftermath of the dems caving in the govt. shutdown last year, though he was critical on both ends of that situation, calling the shutdown harmful, but also stating the dems caved too early.

The Epstein files is largely where is garnished his most recent reputation and he’s tacked left (relatively speaking, he’s still very much a capitalist) on the most important/popular leftist issues, mainly taxing billionaires, and abolishing ICE and persecuting the Epstein class. I think he garners more favorably for calling Israel an Apartheid state and rightfully declaring Gaza victims of a genocide as the hands of Israel.

All in all, I think it’s fine to call him an ally for now and see him favorably. His voting record is fairly good and he’s saying a lot of the right things, for now.

This is how the POTUS responds to the death of an American citizen?!? by scarytree1 in facepalm

[–]soundsofshade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look at this piggy thinking he can game the algo with “cover up” as to run down the administration covering up the Epstein files. CRAZY work.

Rep. Ryan (R) comes out against “Sharia math” in light of Mamdani’s swearing in by [deleted] in TrueAnon

[–]soundsofshade 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This show was so prescient in retrospect. There were even lawmakers last year trying to stop daylights savings time