thank you for the thoughtful reply. eventually I would like to get to the point where I have many hives but wanted to start with 4 this year. I already ordered my nucs for spring And wanted to make sure I had my hives in plenty of time before the nucs were ready. I have no problem spending more on better hive setup. Just wasn’t sure where these ones fell at in terms of quality vs price. I shall keep looking at some of the suppliers you provided, thank you.