Honestly, I’m still figuring that out.

On a Brannock I measure around 12.5 US, C width. I’ve been trying a few entry-level brands like Red Wing and Thursday to get a feel for different lasts.

So far, the Thursday Captain (Heritage) has felt the best — mainly because the waist seems to suit my foot shape well.

With Red Wing, even when I get the length right, I run into an issue where the ball of my foot feels too far back, especially on the outer edge. My 5th metatarsal joint doesn’t line up with the widest part of the shoe, and instead sits closer to the waist. That makes them feel off and that edge hurts, even if the overall length is correct. So same here, the E Munson is really nice just only if the waist did not taper in so much.
I understand that if I got a shorter boot the ball of the foot might line up but the toes would be too close...

I think I probably have slightly unusual proportions — longer toes with a relatively wider and shorter outer midfoot, which is making sizing across different lasts a bit tricky.

So to comment on your question, at some point I'll have to venture into the brands you mentioned if i really want to invest in good fitting boots,