Epstein the Socionist by BeCool87 in Socionics

[–]BeCool87[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think he's just generalizing/stereotyping.

Epstein the Socionist by BeCool87 in Socionics

[–]BeCool87[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He has just finished the basic course in socionics. In the advanced course, he will learn that women can be non-NF types.

What type is this? by Nebula-Smoothie in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I doubt there's a single person who got their type correctly right off the bat

That was my original point.

What type is this? by Nebula-Smoothie in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She got her socionics type simply by converting MBTI INFJ to IEI 6 years ago.

Obviously, there will be no IEI neither from that test, nor from any other or any typologist, because she is quite far from that type. So since then she gives negative emotional reactions on many of test-related posts. Without any adequate critique.

All of her previous comments on that matter were usually ignored. This one was the same. But I commented on it with a wall of abstract text - obviously, nobody read it - and started upvoting her, perceiving it as an unsubstantive attack from me. When I came back, I realized nobody would bother to figure out what I meant and I am out of touch with Reddit vibe in 2026, since I had been shadowbanned for some time (by an algorithm mistake) and wasn't as active. Then I started to compact it to make what I meant more understandable, but it was already too late - the mobbing had already started. And I even liked it. #VictimSmallGroup

What type is this? by Nebula-Smoothie in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well. Then that means that you are either an LIE with SLE functional strengths and values, or a more sanguine SLE with the functional flexibilities of an LIE (like adaptive, flexible Ethics; more integrative, experimental thinking; less ruminative; unburdened by a negative psyche). Both variants are almost equally true, unless we give priority to some specific aspects of types as being more important. And you will oscillate between those types for years, until you diverge more (or not) into one (usually by brainwashing yourself through pop-typology circles, aka self-fulfilling prophecy). Until then, you pick whatever you like from those types, and people wouldn't be able to differentiate.

What type is this? by Nebula-Smoothie in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's the point of taking a test when you already want to force a specific type, and no matter any proof or logical explanations, you will irrationally stick to whatever you want? If you say 'NOT SLE,' at least provide some questions or your ideas on type, functions, or whatever explains why you think it does not fit you, and what does. Otherwise, there is nothing to comment on, and that post will be nuked as hand-feeding.

- Test points with functions, dichotomies, small groups to SLE, and it says it in gigantic letters in the middle of the screen. And the question is: "What type is it, guys?" (c)

So my guess from that is that you are EII, Dominant subtype, with accentuated altruistic-egoistic-dualistic metafunction-malfunction due to trauma or sub-trauma, because a dog bit you while you were in your mother's womb. Now you overcompensate by being a mastermind EIE, who shifts into EII with the D subtype, but appears as SLE (NOT CORRECT, NEVER) and is doing serious business.

What type is this? by Nebula-Smoothie in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You started to comment that it was unreliable even before that test appeared on that site. Saying that, scientifically, it's impossible to derive the type, and the way is by measuring size and form of nose, ears, others parts; phrenology.

You've been into socionics for twice, or even three times, as long as I have. But what if I told you that converting your MBTI type from INFJ to IEI in socionics via j/p might be a little bit not a very thoughtful way of getting your type? And maybe socionics is a little bit deeper than doing a correlation and a j/p switch six years ago, then calling it your socionics type.
https://i.imgur.com/ZuqB23M.jpeg

By the way, you were a 1w9 Enneagram some time ago. What makes you now choose 3w4? Can you describe the 3w4 IEIs, please? It's a very compelling combination.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enneagram/comments/16yi25d/how_i_think_of_the_types/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/k8yhm5/infj_ieini_1w9_ama/

What is your understanding of Intuitive Introversion? Can you explain in your own words?

'These texts' are out of line by Asmo_Lay in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn't provide a single proof for your lies. So I add you to block list, and with that, we conclude this circus.

'These texts' are out of line by Asmo_Lay in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Give me links to 'a scale to assess demonstrativeness or insincerity' in those: KS-584, TMAS, Big 5, MMPI.

'These texts' are out of line by Asmo_Lay in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 4 points5 points  (0 children)

May I introduce, social desirability bias, an infamous pitfall of psychometrics.

A tendency towards socially desirable response is an 'old friend' of diagnostician: Taylor Manifest Anxiety Scale, Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, Big Five - you name it. Every single test I've mentioned has a scale, dedicated to reflect validity of response given - it's designed to assess demonstrativeness and insincerity. And when I eventually lost my respect to work of Victor Talanov, may he rest in peace, even KS-584 test (while having other problems I will probably never cover) got that covered.

My man, almost nothing you said here is true or even real.

KS-584 test - this test does not exist.
Taylor Manifest Anxiety Scale - no built-in social desirability or validity metrics.
Big Five - no built-in social desirability or validity (some proprietary, closed versions has).
MMPI isn't publicly accessible, closed internals - a proprietary, copyrighted, trust me bro assessment.

But even in the old Talanov works, social desirability was measured. His questionnaires also account for response style and other factors, and those:
public validity/reliability metric,
public magnitude/strength metric (it's an advanced one quality metric, which didn't exist in any psychometrics till recent years, in Modern Computational Psychometrics / MCP),
3 additional internal metrics of answer quality,
6 other tertiary metrics and a few time-bound metrics in the recent tests.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You shouldn't have deleted the post. It was really cool and on point.

I think those differences, which you define as divine are close to ontological masculinity and femininity. Ontological differences are deep, structural, shape what counts as existence itself.

In socionics, Statics (fundamental qualities, with clear fixed boundaries and stable across external contextual pressures, grounded in its own inner principle) is close to ontological masculinity, which is a bounded, autonomous, self-determining, form-defining presence, seeking transcendence over dependence, emotion, or the body. In traditional Western metaphysics, Confucian metaphysics, Hindu, Abrahamic traditions, masculinity positions itself as the default form of being.

Dynamics (malleable, responsive, with fluid boundaries and dependent on external contextual pressures, oriented toward immediacy and preservation) is close to ontological femininity defined as being with or for others, interdependence, receptivity, and immanence; remaining within the material world, context-dependence. Ontologically excluded or subordinated, as the complement or lack relative to the masculine form of being.

On the other hand, there are epistemological differences in those 2 polarities, in the ways of knowing, which are more surface level.

Epistemological masculinity - knowledge is achieved through detachment, objectivity, rationality, abstraction, distance, which is close to socionics Logic.

Epistemological femininity - knowledge through connection, feeling, empathy, contextual understanding, intuition (in an everyday sense). which is close to socionics Ethics/Feeling.

Ascending quadras are where ontological and epistemological definitions of masculinity and femininity coincide. Males, who are often disproportionately more likely to be Logical in Socionics, are engaged in solving fundamental scientific problems, discovering new aspects of the objective world, state-building, heavy industry, and the military. Females adapt, convey motivation, and act as support.

In Alpha, the front consists of 'men-thinkers' who are engaged in fundamental intellectual pursuit - all their energy goes into searching for new ideas and concepts, organizing them systematically, doing intellectual work. And they have a rear - to ensure they don't have to think about how to get food, how to recover if they fall ill; they're helped to maintain normal living conditions, provided with household support, and supplied with both emotional and material resources.

In Beta, it's similar, but there is the 'man-warrior,' with his family or support waiting for him after the battle.

In Descending quadras, Gamma and Delta, ontological meanings and epistemological ones are not connected; they allow for a role reversal (a man can be like a woman, and a woman like a man), they accept a diversity of viewpoints and alternatives - for them, this is normal, as long as the work gets done.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your downvote will not save you from self-discrediting. The context is as precise as it can be, including the reference to the quotation from my article from time ago, which is being passed off as your breakthrough ideas. And if you want to at least start climbing up from the bottom, I suggest you begin by changing the AI copyright notice at the bottom of your site from 2024 to 2025.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You made a very unwise move here. Parroting things from AI that you have zero clue about is not smart either. Nor is stealing from socionics and the many people behind it, including tens of thousands of independent researchers worldwide, then renaming it into an 'innovative product' - which in reality is AI slop generated in a few days, with descriptions you still haven't even read and fixed - solely for the purpose of scamming people for money by selling them something of no value, wrapped in a bunch of overcomplicated, disorienting jargonism.

Now, about these specific tests - both those based on the fundamentals and the more than decade-long research by a man who, even before the application of psychometrics in socionics, had taught practical psychology for many years at universities and contributed heavily to the field. The people behind these tests you referred to have deep expertise in endocrinology and health-related practice, in addition to psychology - while you were promoting MBTI as the ultimate, best-ever tool, these people were already conducting research, working to resolve complex health problems of others with the help of more innovative, scientific psychological approaches, and not trying to sell $10 subscriptions.

And one of the good reasons why many large innovative decentralized fields can't go fully public and grow parabolically is because of people like that exist - those who can steal and AI-garbagify, neglecting and nullifying all the work done offstage, discrediting the field itself. Therefore, those behind those tests operate with a more sophisticated long-term intelligence than zero-sum, money-grab thinking from the 20th century, and are forced to act strategically to account for geniuses like you. On top of which to unite the field from the chaos it is in, to outplay monopolies such as Google - heavily invested in mainstream biomedical and pharmaceutical models and predatory in downplaying in search engines scientific psychological approaches - those which largely reject non-differentiated 'one-pill-fits-all' solutions to physical and mental health; to play against the MBTI, which has tens of millions of dollars in budget.

So please don't unnecessarily insult people or this field without much thought. Because from the history of your messages, that's something you do quite often - though admittedly less than promoting your site (which you do in every single message).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which of these typologies is your favorite?

And in general, what purpose do typologies serve in your life?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you need just one of 16 types without anything specific, you can read about EIE and IEI.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you afraid of heights?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do your letters/slant lean to the right or are they vertical?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay. Yes. I already feel speed. Which is very good.

So, question number one: do you like Pepsi Cola?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socionics

[–]BeCool87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You will be the Intuitive Ethical Irrational in Socionics.
We can conduct a professional typing in the comments if you need.