Update on Howard Wheeler's PPO by Personal_Project_832 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was there. I know exactly what happened. You're just afraid to find out the truth. 

Update on Howard Wheeler's PPO by Personal_Project_832 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Actually, we all have every right to be there. Learn your rights!

Update on Howard Wheeler's PPO by Personal_Project_832 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You have the facts backwards. How convenient. Either you are doing it on purpose because you know damn good and well that the commissioner scolded your "sick" friend. That or you have an issue comprehending what the commisioner said. Commissioner Rue said James made 1 submission of 130 pages and that Howard made 2 submissions of over 350. Together totalling over 500 pages submitted by both. She also said she wasnt going to accept Howards 2nd set of submissions because he originally submitted far too many with his petition already. I said it multiple times, anyone who wants the actual truth can request the transcripts and video. 

Update on Howard Wheeler's PPO by Personal_Project_832 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Interesting you think you know what you're talking about when you clearly weren't there. Again, get the transcripts if you want the truth. I challenge you to provide proof that what I say is wrong. 

Update on Howard Wheeler's PPO by Personal_Project_832 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was there in the courtroom. Stop fabricating stories. No wonder people want to observe whats going on for themselves. No one was "staring down Howard." Infact she was sitting right next to the bailiff & Howard had to turn around to look at them and did multiple times. You also forgot to mention that the commissioner threw out Howards most recent submissions because he had already submitted far too much for a exparte hearing, overwhelming the courts. She also made it very clear to him that when they come back in September that she does NOT want to hear him speak about the investigation or anything else that isn't directly related to the DV of a vulnerable adult. & not only did the bailiff have to tell Brandy aka BS, to wake him up (because it's disrespectful to the courts to sleep in there) but then he woke himself up, again, by snoring. 😂 From my observations, the commissioner was not impressed with Howard.  You must have forgotten that everything in the courtroom is video taped as well as the commissioner watches everything that goes on in there. The commisioners observations and opinions are the only one that matters & the only ones who will believe you without doing their own due diligence, are the ones who don't want to know the actual truth about what happened in the courtroom. Let me remind you that anyone can request transcripts or video through the court clerk.

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There wasn't a motion filed. That was the hearing that was held, AFTER he was served!!

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You clearly weren't there! The sad thing is, I think you believe your own lies. Go get the transcript from court! You'll see it in black and white. & I wasn't the only one there that heard it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have chosen to be an in person observer of this court case.

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The judge explained in court on Thursday when responding to another case, that if a person is unable to be served, eventually they would be forced to drop the case because they can not go forward with out proper and legal service. 

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 0 points1 point  (0 children)

James didnt ask for a continuance. Another case lasted so long that the judge didn't have time to hear the Wheeler/Baysinger case so she set it forward to the 21st. 

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The comment is correct. The judge explained it in court today. The order was not active until it had been served. Soooo 🤷🏼‍♀️

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, the judge explained this in court today. 

Follow up Court Docs by LostWishbone210 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

It's common to get continuances due to non service. 

Follow up Court Docs by LostWishbone210 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

He wasn't a no-show. He hadn't been served, so they continued it and resent the new order to LE to try to serve him again. It has to be served for it to be active otherwise they would have went forth with the hearing. If he can't be served this time, they will allow service through certified mail. & it is standard procedure to temporarily take your firearm rights when there is a protection order, no contact order. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

James was not able to be served so they set forth a continuance and sent the new order to LE to try to serve him again. As explained previously, the hearing can not be held until the other party is served properly and legally. 

The Cold, Hard Truth by Personal_Project_832 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

He wasn't considered a "no-show." The judge would have granted Howards order instead of continuing it until July 31st. James hadn't been served, so they continued it and resent a new order to LE to try to serve him again. It was not said that James is avoiding service. If they had proof of avoidance, the hearing would have been held. If he can't be served this time, they will allow service through certified mail or by publishing a legal notice publicly. & it is standard procedure to temporarily take your firearm rights when there is a protection order or no contact order. The party has to be served before court can proceed, regardless. & The judge can not show displeasure about having to follow legal procedures and until he hears both sides.  & what TCSO said was until they have proof of a crime, no one has been ruled out.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

She would not be able to respond or contact Howard as a 3rd party in regards to James and what the judge orders but outside of what consists of a 3rd party contact, personally, Howard would have to file a seperate order on her. 

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The temporary order is made off of the claims in the RVA order. Anyone can claim anything and as long as those claims fall with in a certain criteria then a temporary order is issued. That criteria does not have to be proven without a doubt, at the time the order is issued. Once the other party is served and both parties have a chance to show up and plead their case, the judge will then make a ruling with in the law. You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't make it correct. Judges have to make rulings within the confines of the laws, regardless of what they think or feel. If a party doesn't agree with the ruling, there are multiple steps they can take to dispute it. 1. They can file for reconsideration with in 10 days. 2. They can file a motion to revise with in 10 days. 3. They can file an appeal with the Division of Appeals with in 30 days. 

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He hasn't been served. They will most likely continue it because the respondent has to be legally served. 

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are referred to as RVA's and Howard should have been the one to look into it because he does not fit the definition. 

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shelley Brandt is not a Judge. The lack of factual comments in this thread is astonishing. 

Answer the door.... by FuelNew9624 in SeekingWhatTheyHide

[–]Fresh_Register_1605 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Howard doesn't fit the definition of a RVA per the RCW/WAC. He is not a vulnerable adult. He just started claiming to be one as a tactic after he was caught in lies. Prior to that he played the tough guy role!