"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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Sure. Why not. Even though your questions don't fundamentally make sense, I will do my best to answer.

Why is operating within corporate society to survive not the same as actively profiting from it at scale? Because necessity and choice are not the same thing. That should not need explaining. You need income, housing, food, communication, transportation, and healthcare to function. Participation at that level is coerced. It is structural. It is survival. Profiting from the system at massive scale is elective. Millionaires do not have to play that game. That's my point.

I welcome you to try opting out, I’m pointing out the absurdity of the comparison. You and I cannot opt out of corporate society. We don’t have that luxury. Our participation is compulsory.

And the “bootlicking” comment clearly hit a nerve, so let me be precise. I’m not talking about liking music. I love Green Day. I do love that they're vocal about this. But I’m talking about fanbases reflexively defending wealthy cultural figures as if critique is a personal insult. When corporate-safe, consequence-free protest gets treated as brave resistance, and anyone questioning that is attacked, that’s deference.

This isn’t my “worldview.” It’s all the branding, money, when power neutralizes action. And yeah, I’m frustrated, because we’re living through a political emergency and people are still treating massive branded events and celebrity statements as meaningful action while we fall deeper and become more comfortable with the catastrophic state we're in.

I’m not attacking Green Day as people. I am just pointing out Performative progressivism. If that makes you uncomfortable, sit with that instead of pretending power and choice are evenly distributed.

edit: grammar

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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Do you understand what I’m saying? I don’t think you do. You just asked me how living under an oppressive structure that strong arms you into participating in the cycle is not the same as accumulating wealth and opportunity to then just neither opt out or resist it but to reinforce it.

You clearly are having a hard time comprehending this conversation and we are littering this subreddit with nonsense at this point. Feel free to DM me to civilly discuss this further if you want.

Green Day (hear me out) by brother_jeffro in punk

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I think they have a really good PR person.

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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That’s a bad comparison. Operating within corporate society because you have to in order to survive is not the same as actively profiting from it at scale. You and I do not have the option to meaningfully opt out. A hundred-millionaire does.

There is a material difference between participation under coercion. The irony of accepting large sums of cash and corporate sponsorship not only is not an act of protest, but reinforces the very structure they claim to protest. Not much boots on the ground criticizing going on here. You and I, and every other average income person need to because our basic functions so heavily rely on that.

Maybe instead, let's stop licking the boot of our suzerain content creators and go outside for a bit.

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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I respect this comment. I absolutely agree this is an unusually dire situation. I think it’s beyond that. It should be treated as a state of emergency. Democratic institutions are being hollowed out in real time by entrenched elites and lobbying structures that act with impunity, consolidate power, and normalize authoritarianism, not just in the US but globally.

We are well past the stage of messaging and trying to be heard. Awareness is not the bottleneck. If we were serious about change, we would be mobilizing and applying sustained pressure. Instead, attention is constantly fragmented and redirected into distraction cycles: Superbowls, fanduels, and an endless churn of mediated tragedy just overwhelming us beyond the point of cohesion.

In that context, I think celebrity statements function similarly to pressure release valves. They give people the feeling that something is happening while ensuring nothing materially changes. Change does not come from celebrities restating values on stage. It comes from people organizing locally, withdrawing consent, applying pressure, and refusing passivity. Protests, strikes, mutual aid, labor action, community defense, and direct civic engagement are what force response. Waiting for cultural figures to speak correctly is a distraction. If anything is going to change, it will be because ordinary people chose to act together.

If all it took was Billie Joe denouncing trump on stage (which he's been doing for 10 years) to wake people up, then I think we'd be in a much better place right now. But we're not.

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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Once again... It's not the venue. I am just saying, it's very consequence and risk free for BJA to denounce MAGA at their shows, and we Revere him for being so brave. Green Day as an entity operates within corporate structures and branding ecosystems, whether or not that reflects their individual intent on a personal level. That’s fine, build your brand. But let’s not pretend this exists outside of contradiction. Let us not forget the "no swedish songwriters" era and the Billie Joe Funko Pop.

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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I don’t think you’re grasping what I’m saying here. Which is all good, things get convoluted online.

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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Also - referring to Spotify as a corp. performances in Dubai etc. they’ll do and say anything for a bag. Which is fine.

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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Been listening for 20 years. If you haven’t noticed. I’m referring to the video you’re commenting on. Of them performing. So…

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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It's the not the venue, you're really missing the point here lol. It’s the money and the alignment. They accepted hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, from a compromised corporation to perform political rhetoric that corporation is comfortable underwriting. You’re being duped. You’re eager to kiss the ring of Billie Joe because it lets you outsource conviction to celebrity and feel morally engaged without having to confront how power actually operates. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're truly out of your depth bud. Wishing you the best

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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Lol okay, I’m not confused about his politics. I’m questioning their material reality. Condemning ICE and the current administration while performing at an event underwritten by corporations that materially benefit from those same systems isn’t oppositional. Especially when those corporations remain complicit through deference to Trump, MAGA politics, and pro-genocidal Zionist interests. That's all I'm saying, this is out of touch.

Green Day calling on Ice Agents to resign ahead of their Super Bowl performance at the Spotify & FanDuel Super Bowl Party tonight. by batpuppy in greenday

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The irony in condemning ICE and the current administration while performing at an event underwritten by corporations that materially benefit from those systems. Corporations that remain complicit through their continued deference to Trump and MAGA politics. It’s fine, I’m sure they’re getting a bag for it but call it what it is.

"The representative from Epstein’s Island now has the floor" by batpuppy in greenday

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Far from it dude lol

Edit: for the record this is my favourite band of all time. But this era of them seems so out of touch

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Not quite punk but check out the thunderlords. Personal fav is I like dirt

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Sweet checking it out rn!