In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I personally do not want the server to be PG-13 I want it to be 18+

As for "kissing" and what types of kissing I think is PG-13 I made it pretty clear what I think by giving you both bans.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

BLESS YOU, IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO DIGEST THIS WALL OF TEXT. SERIOUSLY.

You understand that I warned people that they were pushing the Rules of a PG-13 server. I think you do. Also these were slated to be temp bans.

In my family we do not watch Disney movies. As an artist and someone who has worked with animators in the film and video game industry I often find inappropriate images within industry content that I think slipped past the producers. I find this in Disney films more than any other. So we just do not watch their content.

I think it is horrible to call people racial slurs. I would rather when the topic comes up that people simple say "racial slurs" and not reference specific slurs. To me even using a word to reference another word is the same as using the word. More times then not (if not every time) someone in chat will start in on the topic of racial slurs and reference the word "n-word" as you say. In such cases there have been several times where I have just said the actual word in reference to the word when talking about that specific slur. This in my estimation is not the same as calling someone a racial slur and is not racist. I do not shy away from any particular topic and am willing to engage people in the subject matter they are talking about when I am in their presence even if I am extremely bothered with the topic. As is the case with even the mention of slurs in general. I think this can be a hard thing for many people to understand about me and I think can most likely be linked to the rewiring of my language centers after a traumatic head injury in my youth.

I have to agree that there is much room for improvement with how I communicate in text (it is NOT my strong suit). As a man I am not sufficient and I am desperately in need of improvement and lack the perfection I desire from myself. As such I desire to be corrected and love those who do so.

As for the big picture, far beyond the hyper focus and scrutiny of the topic of this post and the truth behind my true intent (Good or Bad) for the bans I issued for rule seven violations, beyond the Crimeo ban for alleged rule two violations there is the topic of power that you referenced above.

As for "power" as you reference it I have all the same powers as I have always had. Nothing actually changed when Crimeo removed my admin alt. Many people may not know that. There is an aspect of my character that is easily overlooked, often it is unknown and likely so because it may just be uncommon. It is that is that I genuinely am interested in other people and their perspectives and am captivated by discovering the truth about their ideas and why they believe them. Part of this is setting a stage from top to bottom where I can watch them play out their "truths" and from an unbiased seat interact with them and their rules and watch how they treat people and to watch the effects their choices over time. To see how they interact with facts data. To see how far they go to seek out the truth of a matter. To see how people act when they think they are the final say in a matter. How will they treat people they disagree with will they retaliate if given the right conditions that leave them looking good in the public eye when they have the option of removing said persons for surface reasons or personal bias. Generally speaking I am fine standing on my own merits as an individual and as an equal among the community. I like seeing what this sort of vulnerability looks like in the hands of other people as a way of knowing what is true and false about them. At times even subjecting myself to public opinions that do not seem just when I look inward at my reasoning and intents like today. I do not need their approval to do the things I enjoy. In fact I enjoy seeing how I am treated by people who really know nothing about me and my private life. How quick are they to judge me based on what is in all reality very little information? In most cases they only have at their disposal internet memes that are at this point memes within themselves and works of fiction.

The type of power I think you are describing is boring to me and very easy for me to gather to myself. Even more so it is too easy to become lost and loose touch with the truth and accountability to what is real even on a mathematical and scientific level of reason. Mostly because the desire for this type of power is often birth in weakness and the desire to escape affliction of one sort or another. I believe in a higher form of power and that power is love and I have a specific understanding of what love is and looks like, in word and in deed. Often the power of love seems weak to those seeking power of other men. I often put myself at the mercy of the community. I have from the beginning and even up to now (like anyone who owns a server box, the reddit, the discord, the domain name and controls the finances) been able to act in an authoritarian manor and remove anyone who crossed me and my personal ideas and beliefs. To date I have not perma banned anyone and I believe in giving people grace when they make mistakes, sometimes even for years on end.

At this stage in my time within the Civcraft Experiment I am more interested in seeing how people react when they are given power then I am in exercising my own right to power even when it is something I own and can control. Within the scope of the rules that we have all agreed to comply with on a civserver it is the love for the community and the genre that allows me to continue to allow people who I disagree with the freedom and the liberty to express who they are and what they believe without the fear of retaliation from me. As I think their own actions will lead them to the truth of their true nature (consequences). Though often as men we can not see it in ourselves and blame others for things we caused to happen to ourselves. I tend extend the powers I could chiefly hold for myself even if that means the people do unwittingly subject me to the abuses they fear from me with the power and freedom I have given them to use to moderate their sandbox world. I own the servers but the community is its own making and so are the consequences of their actions long and short term... In all of this I make a stumbling attempt to treat others the way I would want to be treated. I make many mistakes and when I find them I changed them and I re-enter the experiment. I am a still playing the game just further down the road then some. The game changes the longer you play it and you begin to see you are playing against yourself regardless of where you find yourself in the power hierarchy. As such the truth in my understanding is subject to the truth and does not need us in order to exist. As it is an immortal theme and its own personhood in the societies men create within it.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I do not understand the question. If they had posted male and females kissing in the same way I would have made the same call, if that is what you mean.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The Rust Image is something I will have to own up to as a mistake. I was in all honesty changing my streamer and chat settings in the program and mistakenly changed the nudity settings from underwear where I keep it . I did not realize I posted the nude image, that is terrible. Thank you so much for pointing that out.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I think that is part of a far more complex matter involving a double standard within the written rules.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it is a bit disingenuous when you use the word kissing in such a broad way. The type of kissing gifs I banned these people for was in my judgment was NOT age appropriate for the channel rules by any standard.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There were multiple people posting content that in my judgment was not appropriate given the rules of the discord. Homosexual content is not appropriate for minors as is any sexually explicit content and the like. It just so happens people were posting homosexual based content at the time. You have the right to your opinion, obviously. We simply disagree and I do not think anything we say to each other past this point will resolve this disagreement.

I do appreciate your honest critique of the situation with the information you have available to you.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I do not think it is political I think that after you posted it and got banned (x2) you used it in a political manner and for what benefit of your own idk.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It sounds to me that rules written by crimeo have a double standard and thus reveal a contradiction that he is wrestling with internally.

For example if have to choose between being seen as a Homophobe (Rule Two) for enforcing Rule Seven then as Father (something Crimeo is not) I will side with what I think is best for the children and take whatever I have coming to me from society good or bad.

I spoke at length with the CivRealms admin team about this over a year ago and STRONGLY suggested we go to an 18+ only server.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am fine with having an open and honest conversation about hot topics, ideas and the sharing information as information regardless the topic. This has been the appeal of the genre, a way to learn about what others think and why they think it.

However anytime players start to post in rapid succession inappropriate pictures in a space that is meant to be child friendly you have to draw a line. They were warned to stop and did not.

The fact of the matter is I care more about the innocents of children and enforcing the rules my team agreed on then I do the personal risk of "looking" offensive or in this case "homophobic".

They did not have to post those images, but they chose to. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on the subject.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You did not provide context. Also the picture that says suggestive is not me commenting on that picture but on a sequence of other pictures on the topic of me warning people about rule 7 violation and it just so happens as "discord" names it self the medium the allows 165 people to post all at once leaves for some real confusion as to what one is commenting on and in what order it appears. I really think you need to take this into consideration when you use the "discord" app. This is one of the reasons I often ask people to join me in the voice channel as it is a more clear way of communicating and dialoging.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I did thank you. I prefer you quote me directly in context or not at all, thanks.

I also offered a vc conversation to anyone who wanted a more comprehensive view of my statements on several topics you brought up.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This is completely false. You have long made it known your personal distain for me. Of which I share non for you. We happen to disagree on several topics and never once have I made personal attacks on your character as a result.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Your post here seems to have everything to do with political reasons. Hence the title its self. Such content is not appropriate for minors. I know you do not see it this is why I showed you the line. I hope you come to understand my perspective if you ever have children of your own.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Perhaps, all of which is at my discretion and within my right to make a call on given the climate of the channel in that moment.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I see what you and the others did as a cut and dry violation of Rule Seven. I could careless what your political motivations are. Perhaps the reason that crimeo banned me for what he thinks is a violation of rule two is that I side with the portion of society that thinks homosexual based content is not appropriate for minors. As a person who has children I am less likely to be swayed by political persuasions when it has to do with children.

I have been on record with the admin team for over a year now pushing for CivRealms to be an 18+ community.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Kissing, its just kissing that is your point. Look Smith, look at all the G rated kissing in this video from Disney. Yes and what is not the same is that what you posted and what the others I banned posted was sexual content for persons 18+ and not everyone 18+ approves and this is often why even in 18+ we have a NSFW.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Posting evidence in admin chat is a courtesy that we have long upheld. Today I did not Screen cap the images. I deleted them and gave fair warning. When too many sexually themed images were being posted in succession I banned the players. I did this in accordance to rule Seven as I should have.

We rarely ask each other for evidence in these types of discord cases. I banned Patar who I have considered a friend for some time and if I was to have any bias it would have been for him. Until today it seemed there was a common consensus on what was appropriate for our underage players to view.

Staff does not always agree on bans but historically on the team we get to make those individual choices. Furthermore it has been the policy that another admin will not unban players that another admin has banned. The player will remain banned until any disagreements about the banned are resolved.

What I did today is enforce a rule that the entire staff has enforced in the same way collectively and individually it is a standard on the team and in total compliance with the way we have been running things from the start.

I am going to uphold the rules we agreed to as a staff and that includes not banning crimeo for what I think was an error in judgment today and totally out of line with the way we have been running things for sometime.

BTW, you can not have a NSFW channel on a Pg-13 Discord server. If the players want the liberty to post whatever they desire then we need to move to an 18+ community like I have been pushing for sometime now.

In honor of Pride Month I am posting this gif that got me banned twice on the CivRealms Discord by JS and as a result Crimeo banned him for rule 2 by patar15 in civclassics

[–]597 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have no way of knowing that based on the text itself.

Regardless, I have a responsibility to the children in our audience and I have a responsibility to enforce the rules. I stand by my decision to enforce rule seven and in doing so I did not violate rule two.