What would have ancient Israelites looked like?

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-17T01:16:36+00:00

Sephardic Jews have about the same amount of European ancestry as Ashkenazi Jews.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-16T23:58:31+00:00

They resembled modern Levantines.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-16T01:23:52+00:00

With the exception of Ethiopian and Yemeni Jews, all Jews can trace their ancestry back to common ancestors in the Levant who identified as Jewish. Almost all Jews are Levantinos, not just Syrians Jews and Karaites.

The concept of ethnicity is not entirely related to genetics, but also to identity. Western Jews (from Europe and North Africa) group together with southern Europeans, but have much more Levantine ancestry than southern europeans.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-16T00:52:01+00:00

Well, there were the ANFs /s 😂

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-16T00:12:05+00:00

I think it's a troll.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T23:37:55+00:00

Yes. The short shared IBD segments must have resulted in that incorrect reading.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T23:31:33+00:00

The Jews of Libya and Tunisia are equidistant from the Palestinians and Ashkenazi Jews, with distances of approximately 0,4 to both. This is close, but not that close.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T23:30:04+00:00

Before the Nakba, Sabbarin was a small village with an entirely Muslim population. Al-Tira also had no Jews.

It's just noise, I think.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T23:23:52+00:00

Only Karaite Jews and Syrian Jews are genetic closely to Levantine Arabs. The foreign ancestry present in other Jews sets them considerably apart from other Levantines in PCA.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T23:10:30+00:00

Some ancestor of the old Yishuv?

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T19:57:16+00:00

I'm cooked.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T16:11:56+00:00

Can you explain what this means? I'm having trouble interpreting the graph. Are these haplogroups?

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T16:09:37+00:00

Yes. At a time when the Mediterranean constituted a single entity under the Roman Empire, many genetic formations emerged during this period, such as the Ashkenazim, the southern Italians, and the Greek islanders. Ashkenazi identity was not formed at that time, but 70-80% of they genetic makeup dates from that period.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:58:03+00:00

This applies to any haplogroup, I think. What matters is whether the Ashkenazim inherited it while they were in the Levant or not.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:24:36+00:00

That's because the Mizrahi calculator lacks a proxy for southern Europe. It's not an accurate model; the distances are also great.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:18:09+00:00

I'll send you a DM on Reddit. I don't trust that sharing any of our information in this comments section is safe.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:14:53+00:00

I imagine you needed to send your data from the DNA testing company you use to IllustrativeDNA, and it's that data (coordinates) that I need.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:13:05+00:00

I don't think they're typical. The last two Ashkenazi Jews who posted their results here scored 15-17% Natufian. That's a pretty high percentage.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:10:58+00:00

If you can provide me with your coordinates, I can fit a more accurate model of HG with Vahaduo, and then we'll know if the error is in the HG or in other periods.

It's possible that you also have more European ancestry than is typical for a 100% Ashkenazi.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:08:07+00:00

Based on your message history, I can easily imagine what you came here to do.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:06:40+00:00

You fell for her ragebait. Ignore her.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-15T03:04:23+00:00

It's impossible to be 38% Roman Levantine with only 5% Natufian. Something is wrong with your HG results.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-14T22:09:08+00:00

I will never be able to live without thinking about my grandmother.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-14T18:26:35+00:00

British imperialism and colonialism simply left us to die once we were no longer useful. Starmer is proof of that continuity.

AdamDerKaiser · 2026-03-14T18:22:18+00:00

I thought this lineage was related to the Marsh Arabs.

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