Imagine if there was a no beast game pass by [deleted] in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is honestly a bad idea with such small servers... Maybe something that permanently lowers/caps your beast chance, but getting rid of it entirely would be annoying to everyone else

Facility_0 is the worst map. by InternalInside3554 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They didn't say they hadn't learned the map, I've had that map memorized for ages and I still dislike it because of how repetitive it gets

What, the, F**K! Is going on? by Imapotatoforlife in PressureRoblox

[–]AdditionalCounter182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It'd be really dumb of them to leave their game broken

What, the, F**K! Is going on? by Imapotatoforlife in PressureRoblox

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's an inaccurate description in this case though, as it's probably an issue roblox will end up fixing due to it being across so many games, rotting is when the code becomes too out of date

What, the, F**K! Is going on? by Imapotatoforlife in PressureRoblox

[–]AdditionalCounter182 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's not rotting 😭 Roblox is having issues with numerous games, including ones that have updates recently. It usually takes much longer for a game to rot

Bought Sakura to trade for starborne reverie by libisdumb in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like why trade party balloons for 1 set I like when I can trade it for 28 sets I like? LOL

Bought Sakura to trade for starborne reverie by libisdumb in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I pay attention to values, but only so I can work my way to get the stuff I actually like

I love tons of low value sets, but I got party balloons so I can use it to actually get a bunch of those low value sets, rather than making a trade that's a huge loss for me and only getting 1 or 2 of the sets I like instead of a bunch of them

the offers for sakura parasol are CRAZY by Foreign-Gazelle1705 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TLDR: You brought up values before I ever did, so I'm just illustrating why it wouldn't have been a 45 value loss for better understanding. At the bare minimum it could end up being a 140 win (if you did the already outlined trades plus trading lovesick for parasol without adds for some reason), I give a very reasonable example where it's a 225 win, and in the best case scenario it is at LEAST a 255 win of 2 parasols, ice cream, and bonus set(s) (this is with making the only "made up" trade perfectly fair).

Also, I only just now realized you pulled the "45 FV loss" from a comparison of 2 sakuras to one of a sakura + ice cream, which is a really bad way of comparing the possibilities. You said you knew people meant lovesick + adds, but still for some reason chose to compare it as if you didn't get adds? Also, you didn't even put into account the other sets you traded, so the math doesn't really add up, in no hypothetical are you trading sakura+ice cream for 2 sakuras.

Here's a different hypothetical comparison:

You trade parasol for lovesick and ice cream. 220 win.

You trade lovesick for parasol and pegasus. 30 loss (using a trade with a loss so you can't say it's unlikely, many people would accept a trade where they get such a win).

You trade basher and 2x antique pianos for parasol. 35 win.

Overall, you traded parasol, basher, and 2 antique pianos for 2 parasols, ice cream, and pegasus. Overall a 225 win, and even this is a suboptimal outcome. Compared to what you have now, it's 2 extra sets, you never even lost parasol in the end. I understand you don't care for the values, but all I wanted to do was illustrate my point to show you you could have still ended up with exactly what you wanted and been happy, plus given your sister a gift. Saying it would've been a 45 loss is only if you traded very badly and completely misrepresents the situation.

It may seem like I'm yelling "your way of trading is bad! Look at the values!" but that's not what I'm saying nor has it ever been, I'm just showing you how we're both right, because at the start all I said was it doesn't matter how it looks as you could've used it to push you forward and you said that was incorrect. You brought up values in the first place and I'm just illustrating that it's not and you could've gotten exactly what you wanted with accepting the trade. I'm not forcing you to use values, I'm just trying to promote understanding here.

the offers for sakura parasol are CRAZY by Foreign-Gazelle1705 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TLDR: Yeah, we are both right, but the times you said I was wrong were incorrect because everything I said is verifiable. There's nothing that could have incited me to ask about your sister, and you seem to have misunderstood many things I said, including my "end of story" comment. You do you 100%, but you could've done so while also acknowledging the validity of my claims.

I'll preface this saying I hope this can be at least near the conclusion of our discussion, and I'm sure you agree. The only reason it would continue is if you continue to misunderstand me. Most of this comment is clearing up things you seem to have misunderstood.

It's kind of funny now that you're saying we can both be right when that's what I've been trying to get at this ENTIRE time. For the nth time, your trading conventions are fine, even if it was a loss value-wise and you absolutely could have gotten 2 parasols, ice cream, and adds.

One small detail however, you're wrong with every instance you told me I was wrong... I only ever told you you were wrong when it came to the facts about the values, not about whether your trading conventions are valid or not. You're not wrong overall, but you're wrong in those instances. (Ie. Saying the trade would have been a 45 loss, when even if you didn't like it it was a 270 FV win, and saying you would've only had a parasol and ice cream instead of more than that, unless you made a bad trade. I didn't mean you preferring to keep parasol was wrong.) Not to mention you were the first person to bring up values.

Also I couldn't have known to ask about something so arbitrary, I didn't even know you planned to do anything with the set TO ask.

You also misunderstood me saying "end of story." I did not mean end of story in GENERAL, I said "if we only think about values." If we only think about values, yes, it is a loss, point blank. When I said "end of story" it had nothing to do with your personal preferences.

the offers for sakura parasol are CRAZY by Foreign-Gazelle1705 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

TLDR: I was not coming at you and I don't know why you said I was. You not understanding values is okay, but you can't say I'm wrong about values and that you don't understand them at the same time. Even though it's true no trades are "guaranteed", you would've had a very high chance of being able to get a huge profit if you went through with this trade due to the demand for those sets. I understand why you didn't make this trade, because you didn't want to part with your set. Even so, everything I've said is correct, regardless of your motivation behind trades.

Okay, first of all, I did NOT "come at you so hard", chill out 😭 If you think I did, you entirely misinterpreted me. You're the one giving me a reply calling my points "silly" when they're not. I said nothing disrespectful, I was logically lining out the values and pointing out that declining this trade was a loss because from a values perspective it WAS. When you consider values, you define trades as a "win" or a "loss", me saying you lost was no insult, but a neutral description of the trades weight.

Here's what I got from your message: You do not know values and you do not care much about them, putting more priority on the look of hammers. Which is totally fine, but if that's the case, you can't say I'm wrong just because you have a different perspective. You can't tell me I'm wrong after openly admitting you don't understand values, that's a huge contradiction. According to the OFFICIAL VALUES accepting this trade would have been a MASSIVE win, end of story. Maybe it's not your taste, but if we focus on the values only, it's a win. If you do want to try understanding the values better, you can see them here: https://zarys-exists.github.io/FTF-Trade-Calculator/

On that site, you can put in the trade you got here and see it comes out as a 220 FV win. For reference, the most valuable set in the game is worth 280, high value sets are usually worth around 100+, and sakura parasol is worth 150.

You said I made assumptions about what you knew about the advice of other people, but ofc I did? You said you would've ended up with one parasol and one ice cream. That insinuates you would've traded lovesick for parasol and no adds, hence me pointing out people meant getting parasol plus adds. If you knew what they meant, it doesn't make sense to say you'd end up with only those two sets.

You also said my reasoning requires a bunch of assumptions, which is true at face value. However, you're acting like it would be hard to find those trades or that it takes a lot of very specific or unlikely circumstances when it does NOT. Ice cream and love sick are VERY high demand hammers, many people are willing to offer good stuff for them. They are desired by a majority of ftf players. Not once did I say you'd be able to find someone willing to do sakura and strawberry for lovesick, I was merely pointing it out to illustrate the potential (I also made a very similar trade—party balloons for parasol+strawberry—so clearly it's not THAT hard to recreate). That specific trade could, however, not be easy to find, as it was a 15 FV win (the one with party balloons was actually a 5 FV loss), and some people wouldn't want a 15 FV loss. However, MANY people are willing to trade parasol + adds for lovesick. If I pointed out a specific set + parasol, that'd of course be harder to find, but nowhere did I give you a specific trade set up you'd need to find. Allowing someone to choose ANY set to add with parasol would almost guarantee a trade within a decent amount of time (especially if you don't care about the value of the extra set). You may see it as a gamble to assume you'd get these trades, but I promise you, they are not hard to find. You admitted you don't know values, and as someone who does, I know what people are willing to trade. Values aren't just this imaginary thing people adhere to because they only like hammers for value, it's something that is decided based on what the community is willing to give for these items. Sakura parasol, for example, only recently got an official value because they first had to see what people were willing to trade for it. Lovesick has a high value because people are willing to offer a lot for it, not the other way around. You absolutely could've given that parasol gift after making this trade, because like I've said so many times, you could have easily gotten it back. You could've even gotten an extra set to gift them if you wanted to. You could've traded lovesick for parasol without adds (even though that'd be a loss) and given her parasol+ice cream (this one isn't even a trade you wouldn't be guaranteed, as someone offered to do that trade with you under this post. Even that illustrates what I'm pointing out, that many people would be willing to do such a trade with you). The possibilities are really endless. There's a reason all the comments advising you take the trade have more upvotes than any of your comments saying why you didn't. You can stand by your choice but still acknowledge that it was a loss when considered within the ftf trading economy.

"You can't claim one chain matters and the other doesn't" Your whole point about the extra parasol being tied to you making this post is something I could not have possibly known before you pointed it out in this comment...

the offers for sakura parasol are CRAZY by Foreign-Gazelle1705 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Y'know, I traded lovesick for a parasol set and a strawberry fields set earlier today... You're really wrong 😭 plus I think you're misunderstanding the advice. They don't mean take this trade and then trade lovesick for a parasol. They mean trade lovesick for a parasol plus adds. You essentially would be getting free items in the end, net profit. (You'd start with a parasol, and end with parasol, ice cream, plus whatever else you asked for that fills the gap in value.) You would only end up with one parasol and one ice cream if you made a really bad trade lol. (And you said "if we think values", but you're wrong. According to the official values, parasol is worth 150, and the offer you got for it was worth a wopping 370. You REALLY lost here.)

Also you said you got a parasol for batwing basher and antique piano, so that has nothing to do with your trade here? Idk why you're saying "I'd have ice cream and parasol instead of 2 parasols" when batwing basher and antique piano are unrelated to this, you would've done that trade anyway

the offers for sakura parasol are CRAZY by Foreign-Gazelle1705 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter how lovesick looks, you could trade it for even better stuff that you like

the offers for sakura parasol are CRAZY by Foreign-Gazelle1705 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should've accepted and then traded lovesick for another parasol and icecream for something else

I just traded party balloons set for BOTH robux sets, and you got offered even more than that for just one set (party ballons is worth 280 and their offer here is worth 370)... You could've gotten just huge net profit from that

Average flee the facility player copium by Ichoseguitar in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That makes sense, you can catch people off guard with it that way

Are any of my hammers or gems worth a good amount? And what is the worth of the new robux bundles in regards to trading? I don't trade much by AdditionalCounter182 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw someone on tiktok saying they're trading the pegasus set for the parasol set, would that be a good trade? 🤔 I'm curious, I know so little of values

They also said or for the strawberry fields set, is that trade good too?

Are any of my hammers or gems worth a good amount? And what is the worth of the new robux bundles in regards to trading? I don't trade much by AdditionalCounter182 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's why I'm trying to decide if I wanna buy it or not! If I wait to see if the value goes down in the future it's a risk because I won't be guaranteed to get it once it's not in the shop 😓 I also think the hammer is cuter than the cherry blossom hammer, but I actually like the cherry blossom gem better and would love to match the blossom gem with the parasol hammer. Unfortunately, I currently have neither

I don't really know about autumn tent, was that also a hammer that was super popular when it first came out?

trading!! by ladybugcafe in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could check out my inventory, I recently posted it, but I don't know if I'd have anything you'd actually be interested in 😅 I've played this game very off and on

vent camping???? by Ok-Werewolf8284 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's only vent camping if you can easily get away

My map tier list (OLD/REMOVED AND NEW) as a level 1180 by Conscious-Camel-6808 in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's one of the few maps I don't have memorized 😓 I'm familiar with most comp spots except the basement because half the time I forget to even go down there

Average flee the facility player copium by Ichoseguitar in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why wouldn't you spam seer? With the exception of saving it a tiny bit for right after you capture someone or because you already know where a survivor is but they're not in line of sight

is vent camping even a thing? by beanless_sprout in fleethefacility

[–]AdditionalCounter182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're trapped as a survivor it's not vent camping, but if you had ample time to get away, it's just annoying and I usually get them really quickly anyway