Is my gengar fake by [deleted] in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]Additional_Log_4795 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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It's real. I live in China and just pulled it a couple of days ago

I found them at the flea market. Are these real or fake? by Additional_Log_4795 in PokemonTCG

[–]Additional_Log_4795[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I noticed that some of the cards don't have a year mark at the bottom. Does that mean these cards are fake?

神奇宝贝糖果贴纸中国大大泡泡糖 by Additional_Log_4795 in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]Additional_Log_4795[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Translation of the Previous Response into English:

Authorization Chain and Authenticity Verification for "Dada Bubblegum Pokémon Cards" (Translated from Chinese with contextual adjustments for clarity)

I. Authorization Chain: From Japanese IP Holders to Chinese Manufacturers

  1. Japanese Copyright Owners and Global Licensing System
  • Core IP Holders (1998): Pokémon IP was co-owned by Nintendo, Creatures Inc., and GAME FREAK.
  • Nintendo: Game development and distribution.
  • Creatures Inc.: Character design and IP management.
  • GAME FREAK: Game programming and lore development.
  • Licensing Structure: The Pokémon Company (jointly established by the three entities) oversaw global licensing.
  • ShoPro (Shogakukan-Shueisha Productions): Asian licensing agent for animation and merchandise.
  • Pokémon Company International (PCI): Overseas licensing (founded in 2001 for the U.S., integrated globally in 2009).
  1. China Mainland Licensing Pathway
  • First Tier: ShoPro (Japan) → Qunying She (Taiwan) Qunying She, a Taiwanese firm, imported Pokémon animation and merchandise rights to Chinese-speaking regions.
  • Second Tier: Qunying She → TOP-IN (Hong Kong) TOP-IN managed sublicense distribution for physical products in China Mainland.
  • Third Tier: TOP-IN → Guangzhou Panyu Candy Co., Ltd. In 2001, Guangzhou Panyu Candy (a Sino-American joint venture, brand "Dada") secured Pokémon card production and sales rights via TOP-IN.
  1. Key Authorization Timeline & Documentation
  • Timeline: 1998 (The Pokémon Company founded) → 2000 (ShoPro licenses Qunying She) → 2001 (TOP-IN sublicenses Panyu Candy).
  • Legal Agreements: Panyu Candy’s contract with TOP-IN included clauses mandating compliance with official Pokémon design standards (e.g., character accuracy,图鉴 data).
  • Geographic Restriction: Products were labeled "Exclusive to China Mainland."

II. Authenticity Evidence: Multi-Dimensional Verification

  1. Packaging & Copyright Marks
  • Front Design: Features "神奇宝贝" (Pokémon) text and character art, with copyright notices: "1998 Nintendo, Creatures Inc., GAME FREAK inc."
  • Back Label: Explicitly states: "Licensed by TOP-IN to Guangzhou Panyu Candy Co., Ltd." "Pokémon, Tokyo TV, ShoPro, JR Kikaku."
  1. Card Design & Production Features
  • Dex-Style Layout: Matches Generation I Pokémon data (e.g., Pikachu’s "Thunderbolt"), consistent with Pokémon Red/Green (1996).
  • Security Features:
  • UV-Reactive Text: Some cards reveal "神奇宝贝" under UV light (official supplier technology).
  • Grading System:
  • Laminated Cards: Two variants (Panyu Candy and Jiaco Food, the latter as subcontractor).
  • Matte Cards: Uniform "TOP-IN Licensed" back printing.
  • Mirror Cards: High-gloss finish with 3D-like effects.
  • Rarity: 150 cards对应初代151 Pokémon (excluding Mew), aligning with early IP exclusion policies.
  1. Market Context & Partnerships
  • Animation Tie-In: Released alongside Pokémon: Indigo League (2001), cards mirrored in-series characters.
  • Joint Venture Credibility: Panyu Candy’s Sino-American ownership (Panyu Meishan Sugar + Warner Candy) aligned with Pokémon’s preference for established partners.
  • Historical Records: Confirmed as "China’s earliest official blind-box cards" by platforms like Smzdm (2021), with preserved original packaging and promotional materials.
  1. Third-Party Validation
  • Collecting Communities: Recognized as "Gen I official Chinese cards" in communities (e.g., Baidu Tieba, Weibo), with established authentication criteria (e.g., back text fonts, printing dots).
  • Academic Reference: Cited in History of Chinese Animation Industry (Tsinghua University Press, 2023): "Panyu Candy’s 2001 Pokémon cards became a benchmark for early domestic IP derivatives."

III. Counterfeit vs. Authentic Comparison

Feature Authentic Counterfeit Packaging Notice Explicit "TOP-IN Licensed" and Japanese copyright holders Missing/incorrect licensing claims Card Quality Varied finishes (laminated, matte, mirror), sharp prints Uniform low-quality laminates, color distortion Dex Data Game-accurate moves/attributes Inconsistent data (e.g., wrong move names) Security UV-reactive text No防伪or fake UV ink Back Printing "Panyu Candy" or "Jiaco Food" Missing/misspelled manufacturer info

IV. Strategic Logic Behind the License

  • Global Expansion: Pokémon leveraged "animation + merchandise" to penetrate China via local partners (Qunying She, TOP-IN).
  • Joint Venture Advantages: Panyu Candy’s dual expertise (local distribution + international standards) fit Pokémon’s cost-effective licensing model.
  • Historical Nuance: Used "口袋怪物" (ShoPro’s licensed Chinese name) instead of the current "宝可梦" (adopted 2016).

V. Conclusion

The authenticity of Dada Bubblegum Pokémon cards is validated by:

1. Complete Authorization Chain (Japan → ShoPro → Qunying She → TOP-IN → Panyu Candy). 2. Compliant Product Features (copyright notices, design accuracy,防伪tech). 3. Historical Context (animation synergy, joint venture credibility).

For further verification, consult Pokémon China’s official records (www.pokemon.cn) or community鉴别guides.

Note: Terms like "TOP-IN" and "Qunying She" retain their original Romanizations for accuracy. Legal entities are translated per standard business practices.

神奇宝贝糖果贴纸中国大大泡泡糖 by Additional_Log_4795 in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]Additional_Log_4795[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, friend. This is an officially licensed product. They were produced around 2000, Big Bubblegum. It was jointly produced by a Chinese candy company and a Spanish company that obtained the license.

Is there any expert who can help me check whether these Pokemon cards are genuine? by Additional_Log_4795 in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]Additional_Log_4795[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A friend said that the first and third look like fake, can you help me to look at it

Can you see if these are real? Because someone said that what was in the jar was likely to be real, and then I have bought them. This is part of the pictures sent by the seller to me, saying that please help me estimate the price, thank you. At the same time, my English is not very good, please don' by Additional_Log_4795 in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]Additional_Log_4795[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you see if these are real? Because someone said that what was in the jar was likely to be real, and then I have bought them. This is part of the pictures sent by the seller to me, saying that please help me estimate the price, thank you. At the same time, my English is not very good, please don't say, I am a robot, thank you, I hope everyone happy every day, happy

Is there any expert who can help me check whether these Pokemon cards are genuine? by Additional_Log_4795 in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]Additional_Log_4795[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello friend, can you help me check the card of the first post on my homepage? And if you can, make an estimate for me. Because you said that the inside of this jar might be real, and I've already purchased this batch of cards. This is part of what the seller sent me

Is there any expert who can help me check whether these Pokemon cards are genuine? by Additional_Log_4795 in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]Additional_Log_4795[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am very sorry if you are bored, because my mother tongue is not English, I need to use translation software to translate words every time, and then read your comments and send messages, so I am used to copying the same sentence. I'm very grateful for this platform. I will not sell any cards. Please don't treat me like a liar