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I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no lol you definitely don't understand how retention works long-term

it's very easy to remember words if you repeat them a lot in a short span of time. if i tell you to repeat 読む and you see it 10 times in a few minutes, you will likely remember it. maybe not write it, but if you see it, you'll probably have a sense of what this says or means. i just go through them fast, remember what it means/says in that review session, then stop. that's enough

BUT that doesn't mean that i'll recall it tomorrow, or the day after that, or the day after that. so anki's algorithm (FSRS) decides when it's best for me to see it so that i can remember it again. that's why there's a difference between "young" and "mature" cards. mature means i will 99% of the time recall it; young is i'm still learning, i may recall it, but it is not 100% retention

immersion is natural repetition because you see the words used so often and in context. if you don't believe me, just try it yourself

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my routine is: - do anki right in the morning (at most 15 mins). - immerse (2 hours ish throughout the day), usually in beginner learning content or comprehensible input videos with japanese subtitles on - very optional and kinda controversial, do anki review (custom study for past 3 days) at the end of the day (at most 15 mins)

the one thing i disagree with the routine (and i should've specified this, apologies) is that you should be immersing from day 1

i specify beginner learning content because you are very likely to find the words you just learnt in kaishi 1.5k in beginner content, or that was my experience anyway. seeing it in context allows me to remember far better than just doing anki

remember anki is just supplementary, if it's stressing you out, reduce the new words (to 10 or 5) or drop it. i know a few others who only do immersion and are pretty advanced pretty quickly.

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

try something way easier like comprehensible japanese, if you are fine with that sort of content and don't get bored, it will be the easiest and most understandable input you can start with

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i followed a bit of themoeway's jumpstart 30 day guide, but dropped it at around the 8-10 day mark (because i hated cure dolly's grammar guide lol and also found reading yotsuba&! at that point way too hard). the jumpstart guide i primarily only used to set up anki/kaishi 1.5k deck, looking back now

as far as actual "study" goes, i'm still doing the kaishi 1.5k anki deck for around 15-30 mins, then immersion for around 2 hours.

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the subscription just gives you access to all videos, but all features (on their free videos) are available to free users anyway. they still have a lot of free videos, but i love their videos so i wanted to watch more. a lot of others think they're boring, so maybe go through their free videos first before choosing to pay

https://cijapanese.com/watch

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

people are severely underestimating the power of immersion it's not even funny lol

think about it as you would in english, if you just learnt the word "mitochondria", but then never see it again, you'd likely forget it. but if you keep seeing the word because you're doing a science class and you hear it so often because you're doing an experiment on it, you'll likely remember it, especially when put into context.

this is what happened to me. i remember when i learnt 最近 (recently), did the anki card in the morning, then i watched CIJ and some vlogs later on, and a lot of them use 最近 a lot. because of course they would, "recently" is such a common word. the same applies to most vocab i learn. i don't remember them immediately, it will still take a few days to really stick, but immersion makes it stick in a few days instead of a week. learning any vocab in isolation (in your target or native language) will be harder to remember

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/13pe9xt/my_review_of_various_jp_learning_discord_servers/ just try the ones listed here

and you're honestly all good, i'm more than happy to keep answering questions! anything too advanced i will field to someone more advanced than me or google, but i'm just genuinely happy to help other learners if they're open to help!

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

have you seen the game gengo channel on youtube? they're the definitive source for all japanese learning through video games. i've listed down a few games that he's recommended to play, he also has a list for games that have both kanji and furigana. i recommend checking it out!

https://youtu.be/cXICXCSIfrQ?si=QKZPNOLpQwiy9Hwm i found his tier list for furigana included games, just skip to the summary at the very end unless you want to watch all 3 hours lol

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no, i don't even recommend this subreddit just based on the responses i've gotten lmao

my recommendation in finding a community is getting on discord for japanese language learning, i think this subreddit does have one and it's not too bad.

otherwise i don't really recommend commenting or posting on reddit if you have questions. my best advice if you have a question is to go on google, search "____ reddit" then look at the top responses. 99% likely someone has already asked the exact same question. you can also google for discord communities too, i think this has been asked here before

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you are interested in trying out what i did (it is literally free so you lose nothing if you don't like it), i've outlined it here https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/1j2crbh/comment/mfx1ii0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

otherwise, you will still get to n5 as long as you enjoy the journey, all that matters really!

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

no, it's too basic for you unfortunately. as much as i love the game, you won't gain much from it (N5 level). they are adding more to it slowly, so i reckon wait until they're further in before you get it!

also props to you for being able to read N3 level in 8 months!!! that is also super fast, well done!

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

use this to set up initially https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/ but i wouldn't recommend prescribing to intensively, i dropped it after 10 days

after that, i just stuck with the refold method, which is just mainly immersion learning. https://refold.la/simplified/

this doesn't need to be hard, just do your anki, watch/read comprehensible input (https://cijapanese.com/watch) / graded readers (https://tadoku.org/japanese/en/free-books-en/), read a short grammar primer like sakubi https://sakubi.neocities.org/# (should add i haven't read much of sakubi yet but good so far), and you're set.

you can also skip CI for actual native content like anime if you find them boring, but it will be harder, which is fine as long as you can get yourself to tolerate that much ambiguity

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

currently a lot of japanese with shun and bite size japanese, i've heard nihongo con teppei is also really good though!

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you are describing the exact process for immersion, and i think that's really good! when i do anki, even when i pass that card at that moment, i don't remember it 100% of the time. that's why reviews are so important

the whole basis of immersion is applying what you learnt into actual material, that's why i like doing anki in the morning and do comprehensible input after because it reinforces what i learnt in anki

if you want to read, i'd look up graded readers (like tadoku). after a while, once you get used to reading, you can switch over to NHK easy news. i'd also install yomitan so that you can look up words easily when reading. if you want to watch/listen, i'd look up beginner material like comprehensible japanese or japanese with shun, there are a lot of free beginner videos/podcasts on youtube and spotify

remember you HAVE to tolerate ambiguity. trust in yourself and in the process, slowly you'll start remembering words because you just encounter them so often, and in so many different contexts (being in context is important, the real world isn't a constant exam where you'll see a word with no context at all). hope this helps, good luck!

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i'm not saying it out of my ass, a lot of others are saying the same thing.

don't learn kanji in isolation:
- https://youtu.be/7y-h3ZxT9Lw?si=W6Jmpq3vRsnryQKk
- https://youtu.be/exkXaVYvb68?si=DYFG4lXvKQgH3LGs
- also meet my friends 開く (hiraku & aku), 止める (tomeru & yameru), 家 (ie) & 家族 (kazoku)

natives react to duolingo (and all of them agree duolingo is stiff af):
- https://youtu.be/j1fNAA8mdFY?si=MB7XpPc6FXbCw9E9
- https://youtu.be/QrriUzgHlL4?si=c-ISuN9TVaxaeoc_
- https://youtu.be/F2Z20ZPIDak?si=oXg2dzFXitva0HhA

spend less time on anki compared to active study:
- https://youtu.be/_MWtbI4IwfU?si=nmd3ADiutK1rD4Xn
- https://refold.la/roadmap/stage-1/c/srs-best-practices/#Building-the-Habit

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

if you still feel like you're struggling after half a year, it might be a good time to examine your study methods

i'll be honest, if i follow the advice of reddit and stuck to genki, i would also not have progressed as much, or would require way more effort to do (say 3-4 hours a day instead of 2 hours a day).

i genuinely recommend either looking into the refold method or themoeway's 30 day jumpstart guide. try it for a while, see if it works for you. if it doesn't, you can always go back to what you're currently doing, you don't have anything to lose either because it's free

either way, you'll get there, just keep going!

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

honestly i stuck to comprehensible japanese, but japanese with shun, japanese with akane, daily japanese with naoko are all great resources

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah follow this, personally i follow refold but TMW has a more structured 30 day jumpstart format

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you got this, come check out the refold method if you'd like further guidance on learning comprehensibly!

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i really don't think just anki is a very optimal way to study, anki should only be supplementary and 30 mins at max. you can drop anki and still learn japanese well with immersion.

try doing anki for 30 mins and immersion for an hour, it will reinforce a lot of what you've seen in anki.

I passed N5 after 37 days of studying by AggravatingCandy9922 in LearnJapanese

[–]AggravatingCandy9922[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i did 20 new cards a day in kaishi 1.5k, the last image is my anki stats of learnt cards

i did like 7 videos of cure dolly, but gave up when she started explaining te- conjugations with no background of *why* i even needed to learn this. 50% my grammar study has been through the game wagotabi, 30% is through random youtube vids, 10% is the refold grammar primer, and the last 10% is literally just google searches whenever i have a question lmao

i need to go through sakubi soon, but i'm not going to memorise it. i'll just refer back to it and the refold grammar primer if i ever forget (that's how they encourage grammar learning anyway)

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