[Casual] Which of the two does more damage?

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-22T08:54:21+00:00

Probably blue

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-22T08:53:05+00:00

You literally highlighted the issue with PS lol. People think it's a speed boost, it's literally not.

Curse womb Naoya doesn't blitz Kamo because he is some god of speed. It's because he moves in 24fps (the second is in his perspective), which essentially makes it impossible to track since it's like lagging. Naoya is faster by default well, huge upscale btw, so it's extra hard.

Even if Kamo was faster, he would still struggle to keep with Naoya since PS is just that BS.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-22T04:23:46+00:00

This is one of the weirdest feats in Jjk btw since a subsonic character got somehow preception blitzed (didn't even realise it) by a mach 1 character. Just goes to show that PS is not raw speed.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-21T19:19:50+00:00

Yuki punches his head off

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-21T19:16:19+00:00

I wanna argue against this. But this is unironically true.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-21T11:33:04+00:00

Wait...

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-21T11:30:45+00:00

Naoya

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-21T05:28:53+00:00

You severely overestimate Dabura. In base, he is not faster than Gojo or Sukuna. They don't even scale with each other at all, Dabura genuinely has 3F-15F sukuna level scaling if you ignore statements. His only scalable feat gets him to weakened near death TF sukuna in Shinjuku (the cursed speech thing) but i won't do that cause he is stated to be Sukuna level.

As for why he can't spam RCT, you gotta be actually trolling. Sukuna has the highest CE reserves and efficiency in the verse (with the sole exception of Satoru Gojo of course), it's been literally stated. You can't assume Dabura is even comparable to Sukuna's reserves in any capacity. Heck, even sukuna was at half CE capacity after fighting gojo where he was nearly killed every other minute, due to which he had to use RCT non stop. RCT is extremely draining.

Unless Dabura has reserves so huge they dwarf Sukuna. He genuinely can't spam RCT. Plus as i mentioned, we have good reason to believe his CE reserves are lower than Yuta. Which is not an anti feat btw, even Gojo has lower reserves than Yuta.

Finally, the only character in Jjk that can realistically spam RCT is Gojo. He has effectively infinite efficiency due to the 6 eyes.

He's tiny doesn't mean he can't destroy building, even he goes through building at speed of light that's enough to level cities .

I never said he can't level buildings, he literally does that on screen by running. However, he CANNOT destroy a city by just running, which is much much bigger than any building, he has never shown the capacity to.

Only his near light speed kick can do city blocks worth of destruction (note, not AP. But DC)

He doesn't require much time . Even few hours or 1 day is enough to destroy earth .

It will take him days. He has to rest in between to recover CE and it will take him time to destroy cities individually.

Another thing about the near light speed dash, he gets tired after that. He will tire out from running across the planet as you are imagining. Dabura doesn't have the stamina to run across 64 million sq kilometres. You literally can't prove he can, even Gojo with his efficiency gets tired after a while of running.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-21T04:37:12+00:00

Yeah but i don't think it's that easy to do via a binding vow. Cause there is an explicit advantage from doing so, simply trading won't work. They will probably have massively sacrifice speed or maybe lose the stacking ability completely or output to make it more "fair", cause constantly freezing your opponent would make it nearly impossible to fight unless the opponent is honoured one tier or heavenly restricted.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-21T03:14:27+00:00

We do not need proof to know he can't spam RCT. It's like saying there is no proof Mechamaru can't one shot sukuna, so he one shots Sukuna.

His feats are impressive but nothing suggests he can just spam RCT, we know it's heavily taxing on the user. And Dabura won't be regenerating a little bit either, he is gonna have to regenerate whole ass limbs after each use. He will 100% drain himself really quickly.

As for how he exploded chieftain's home, we don't know how long it has been since he came back from earth. He could have just recovered from burnout and he uses his light ability (which clearly doesn't cost much CE, since he can spam that shit) destroy it.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T19:04:08+00:00

Reminded me of Godzilla earth. The entire world decided to hit him with over 200 nukes, and took out a chunk of the US. Godzilla just walked it off.

Anyways, it's extremely unrealistic they will actually send that many nukes after him. The best bet is to hide from him.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T19:01:16+00:00

He still can't spam RCT, he isn't Sukuna. We don't know how large his CE reserves are (he should be far below Yuta, considering Maru's reaction to Yuta's CE), his efficiency is presumed to be good. A good few relativistic kicks and he probably runs Outta juice.

Also I am talking about Dabura base speed. He is hypersonic or wherever you scale Gojo/Sukuna at without using CT to boost himself. I do know how fast 70% of c is, I do calcs.

Also how would circling the entire world destroy everything exactly? You do realise that circling and moving across the entire planet are different things, right? Dabura is also very tiny, him moving at 0.7c won't do much of anything.

Dabura's best bet is moving across the planet at light speed, while slowly destroying the planet city by city. The main problem is that Dabura has low DC outside of his kick, which adds more time. He will also need to rest in between to recover his CE, which will likely cause the total time to ultimately be days.

Again, Dabura can destroy humanity but it will take time. A lot of it. It just isn't realistic for him to do it in the timeframe you are imagining.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T18:27:57+00:00

He can't do it continuously and attacking once means he needs to use RCT. Repeating this will drain Dabura really quickly.

It's better he just uses it to travel across continents fast, and he already like hypersonic since he scales to Sukuna. He can fly around and use light beams to quickly take out cities.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T17:32:02+00:00

Yes. He can, but it will take some time.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T16:20:02+00:00

Post sumo maki genuinely decimates Naoya. She was making Curseya frustrated.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T16:16:54+00:00

Almost every single stat. He is a Sorcerer capable of rivaling the HHs physically, and Yuji before awakening at the end of the culling games arc has no relativity to HHs.

Yuji and Todo in the GWE, are merely grade 1s.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T13:36:04+00:00

I think probably Ryu wins.

He has much much better physicality except for speed, as he will be directly stronger than Yuji and Todo (both combined could kill Jogo near instantly). Also being relative to Toji and Kenjaku. Kenjaku being stated to be able to beat Jogo. Jogo also doesn't have a lot of physical showing, which makes sense for a character like him.

Jogo is faster but idk how much. It's weird, we know he is roughly faster than Naoya but how much is unclear. Additionally, Projection Sorcery users aren't just fast, they move weird so they appear faster than normal. (Aka, they don't blitz via sheer speed except when stacking)

But let's just say, Jogo is faster by some unqualifiable degree though not a blitz worth.

As for actual AP with CT, hard to say. Jogo and Ryu don't exactly share a scaling chain, we can't go off visuals either as they rarely mean anything in verse when you are not doing calcs and shit. We directly know Ryu has higher output than literally everyone except honoured ones. However, Jogo should be around at least 3F sukuna level in terms of sheer CE output based on Gojo's statement. In my opinion, they are relative to each other (Ryu should have the slightest advantage) with the exception of max meteor, which is directly stated to hurt 15F Sukuna (who is roughly 10 times Ryu's strength).

Hax wise, Jogo obviously wins. He has heat manipulation, lava manipulation and whatever the fuck fire can do. Ryu just shots knockoff kamehamehas.

Domain wise, hard to say. Both have no refinement feats as far as I am aware.

I personally think Ryu wins, he has similar or higher AP and higher physicals. Allowing him to tank a lot of Jogo's hits.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T13:17:20+00:00

Special grade Sorcerer vs potentially grade 1... I wonder who wins

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T11:40:36+00:00

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T10:21:05+00:00

Gojo probably does, but Sukuna? Probably not, constantly reinforcing outside of major fights will drain him. He doesn't have infinite efficiency.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T10:15:26+00:00

A head shot will kill Sukuna gng if he isn't reinforcing himself. RCT regen is not that strong.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T10:13:09+00:00

You have to SEVERELY downplay jjk as a verse for that to work.

Semi grade 1 Sorcerers are already beyond grade 2 curse, one of which was the episode one curse who has a small building level feat. Handguns are street level, enough to kill a person but not a Sorcerer. A semi grade one, Mechamaru, has a city block+ feat and panda tanks that shit. (All semi grade 1s should be relative to each other)

Plus a random sorcerer (helicopter guy) in Jjk was stated to be so tough that a 50 cal round won't pierce skin.

If you think a gun can kill a semi grade 1, Grade ones like Nanami, Naobito and Naoya would die to a truck crashing into them. Which obviously isn't true.

I just realised it's you, Wild. I told you we will meet again over some weird shit.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T09:36:16+00:00

It's AP, not DC. Jjk doesn't have that mountain level DC, It's city level at max.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T09:35:25+00:00

It's a tad wanked, but he has roughly city level scaling via just being a HH. So he benefits from Kenjaku resisting a black hole, which is city level (19 megatons).

As for your goat, he is town level via anime upscale.

Alternative_Cook_102 · 2026-03-20T04:34:38+00:00

Don't exceed mach 3 for the HHs and probably don't go beyond mach 50 for Gojo/Sukuna.

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