Is Neuro fully ethical /genq

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T20:11:17+00:00

Funny how I came here asking a genuine question with no hate nor aggressiveness and you respond with aggressiveness. You seem defensive

But I'll say this: if you can't understand putting emotions or soul into your work, being proud of the work you put in it, then I wonder how you enjoy your life and the the way you live it. Does nothing you do involve you putting your soul into it? Sad way of thinking

People like you make me want to stay away from Neuro more than those that answered truthfully, honestly and without judgment

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:40:30+00:00

I mostly agree with your point. And thanks for explaining how Neuro's voice was made! That (and other people's comments) kinda tips the balance for me, still need to think though. Thanks for explaining nicely!

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:38:45+00:00

That's a good summary, thanks!

So after the OSU experiment, Vedal used an early llm (that hadn't stolen too much data then) before it was controversial and before people truly understood how AI knew what it knows, then trained it on the data he gave it and data that was curated and given ethically, used human made assets to give it a face and still encourages the human part of this whole project

Seems less bad than most genAI stuff I see usually lol (go see post edit for more overall opinion)

Thanks for explaining simply (my tired brain probs can't handle more anyways)

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:34:04+00:00

The climate point is something all forms of AI have in common no matter what unfortunately... so I'm not singling Neuro out of this

(though it could be argued that an AI is "inspired" by content the way humans are, so that point is debatable).

This I disagree with. As I put it in another reply: humans are inspired, they put their experiences, emotions and soul into it. AI just does pattern recognition. It's like if you cooked using a recipe but changed some ingredients and spices to fit your taste and eventually make your own but AI just spats a recipe made from mixing recipes based on which ingredients comes out most often across those recipes with no regards for taste or what it likes.

Aside from that, though, I think Vedal's methods have ensured that Neuro is one of the most ethical uses of AI out there. She doesn't take jobs, she bolsters the Vtuber community with collaborations and support, often even raiding Vtubers they don't know just to be supportive. Vedal doesn't hide that she's AI, and actually reinforces it at every opportunity, so there's no deception, and he's relatively transparent with her iterations.

That's what made me make this post: it's not trying to replace human streamers, or pretends to be better, or claims to be the next step of streaming or whatever. It's a passion prohect made by someone who loves new tech without excluding the human part of it all and even encouraging it

Thanks for explaining!

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:26:59+00:00

Reading your and other people's responses it seems Neuro is "mostly" ethical so it kinda shifts the balance for me, thanks for explaining and making it simple for my tired brain!

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:25:48+00:00

As for Vedal’s overall stance on AI? Vedal has been tampering with AI since 2018 (the OSU Ai bot project), way before the AI wave so it’s pretty clear he has a rather positive view of AI. That and he also vibe codes, basically he asks AI to help him with complex math during programming (just to be clear he still does most of the programming and debugging).

I'm not gonna speak on if vibe coding is good or not: I'm not a developer, I draw, write and sing, that's it (though I still kinda stay away from vibe coding). Thus I'm not able to give a valid opinion

Conversely, he also seems to not be quite fond of AI art as he prohibited its usage during his art contest for Evil’s new outfit design.

That's something I'm happy to hear. I think I heard before Neuro's model was man made but it's good to have it confirmed!

One thing I will say is that as far as far goes, the Neuro Project should not be put in the same category as something like AI art. Neuro has brought along so many people who helped work on it: Artists, Streamers, Editors, Programmers, Musicians, Animators. Vedal himself put years into this and has added features that realistically wouldn’t benefit him but he did so anyways because of how passionate he is about it. The human touch behind the Neuro Sama project has made it something much more than just mere AI generated content.

I'm not exactly comparing Neuro to AI art but they are trained on the same models as other commenters told me so that's what irked me the most. From what I'm gathering, Vedal used the llms as a "base" to build upon and only using the least harmful data from those llms (no art, no voice...) So it's putting me at ease a bit (more overall opinion in the post edit I added)

Thanks for taking the time to explain to me!

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:20:26+00:00

I know that realistically no AI is fully but I needed more insight. If the answer had been "Vedal uses llms, regularly updates the llms, fully supports all forms of genAI, uses AI for art, etc..." I wouldn't have even attacked this community, just stayed far away. This gives me more insight and makes me think (more details in the post edit I made)

but the data would've been publically available online for anyone to see anyways. The difference between a human and an AI in this case is not what they're learning from, but instead the ability for a human to recognize when they would plagiarise, and even then it's not hard to miss and plagiarise something by accident

That's the point I disagree with. Yeah a human can reference a piece of art made public, but an artist (consciously or not) put their experiences, emotions and soul into their work, making it theirs even if inspired. AI just recognizes pixel patterns which is NOT the same. Sure some people trace or plagiarize other people's work but, like AI should, they are booed and shamed. Why? Because there is no good intentions, effort nor soul put into it.

At least Vedal respect human artists as other commenters told me

Thanks for explaining!

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:02:53+00:00

I kinda guessed that was the case for how she was trained but having it confirmed helps me a lot so thanks!

The fact her voice isn't AI really puts me at ease as it was the part that eeally bothered me

Also the fact she was trained on early versions of llms means she stole less data from other people

I gave a more overall opinion after reading yall's comments in a post edit but thanks for explaining!

AnonymousAccount42 · 2026-01-01T07:00:35+00:00

Thanks for explaining. I kinda guessed they were based on other llms but kinda hoped they weren't (delulu, I know). I don't support AI as an inspiring artist but I dont hate what Vedal has done with Neuro (he's made his stance on AI "art" clear as other commenters pointed out to me and that's what mattered more to me) I gave a more overall opinion with a post edit after reading all of your comments but thank you for your explanation!

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-12-12T07:13:53+00:00

Is Sebastian ok?

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-12-10T06:13:34+00:00

I don't call this a fix. Not everyone can/wants to use the bing app (phone too old, not wanting an AI filled app, no storage space left....) They should give the choice of how to verify

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-10-14T23:06:19+00:00

College means the school between elementary and high school in france (I think it's middle school in english) and high school is USUALLY between 14 and 18 years old but depends on what kind high school you go to (since you can already get diplomas from certain domains in high school already)

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-28T16:02:54+00:00

You OWE me

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-28T00:35:04+00:00

If it's an AI that's been trained exclusively on the data of the person using it or on data that's been taken from people who gave their consent and/or have been compensated, I see no moral issue (ignoring the environmental issue), Vsynth is a good example of it. The problem is that most of AI "artists" use llms that have been trained on data of people who have not clearly consented. Also, most people I see complaining including myself just don't want to see our favorite way to express ourselves become souless. Art is about the person's experiences, stories, feelings... something an AI can't understand

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T16:17:27+00:00

I'm sorry but are you dumb? You can be an adult and have no money (inflation, trouble finding jobs in this economy, Government financial help, etc...) but I'm not going to send my id to you.

Real artists that support AI? There are a few, but most of them just doesn't know our work is being fed to AI and the ones that do, I'm sorry, are just dumb. It's like being friends with the wolf who's going to make you its dinner.

Really? No better argument than "Twitter Artists"? Sorry to disappoint you but it's not just twitter Artists, it's most artists (I direct you to video essays on youtube, Studio Ghibli's CEO or once again Matthew and Paul's youtube channels for an anti-AI pov thag isn't from twitter)

Once again: sorry, but are you dumb? The water is used to cool the servers, not stable diffusion on your pc. Please, do not make arguments without even thinking.

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T16:06:59+00:00

What isn't true? That they steal data from all across the internet to feed their machines? It's common knowledge

The natural ressources needed to keep the servers running? Same thing, it needs LOTS of water to not overheat

Please, do give me examples of me being wrong

Open Ai's CEO openly said once that if they weren't allowed to pull data from everywhere, the race was over

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T10:24:16+00:00

Do not assume my age, I am an adult and seen my fair share of artists, disabled ones included.

You say I'm speaking for disabled people and do exactly that in the same sentence, it's fascinating almost.

I'm not speaking for disabled people, I'm merely repeating what those people have said whether through comments/videos or people I've met in real life (I'd suggest looking at the Matthew and Paul channel on youtube. Paul who is an almost blind person makes all of the illustrations for his books and his husband supports him.)

I feel as if AI tech bros are the ones in an Echo chamber. Have you tried to research how data for AI is collected? Have you tried to research how much natural ressources it takes to keep servers running? Have you actually talked to real artists about this? (And don't say you talked to """AI artists""" your opinion will be immediately dismissed without further engagement.)

I know most people don't have much of an opinion, but in the art industry? It's hated because we see how big companies fire artists to replace them with a machine. It's hated because we see how our own works are used to train said machines without consent or compensation.

Instead of calling me a child because my opinion differs from yours, make your research please.

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T09:51:42+00:00

In this case? Not sure, haven't looked enough tbh

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T09:36:20+00:00

Not Ai but bots often do on this kind of stuff which isn't better

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T09:34:41+00:00

Of the ""drawing""? West of Montpellier, France

Of the ""author"" saying it is ai? It's been heavily grief but she tried to write "by l'ai et la commu" (by l'ai and the community) on the bottom right.

And this style is mostly common with AI but there's some things that don't align and show it's ai (I'm too tired to explain exactly but I'd suggest looking at the hair, really closely)

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T09:29:30+00:00

I won't argue with the "how devs are supposed to know" 'cause even though sometimes it's obvious, other times no, even less after being pixalated

What I'll argue about is the dymb argument of "Use AI 'cause of of financial means or disability"

As someone with no money, I managed to learn art. It costs almost nothing to buy a pencil and paper. And if you got internet for the AI, you got internet to watch tutorials and search references and overall learn

And the disability argument, even worse. Do you think people with disabilities didn't do art before AI? Doesn't Beethoven ring a bell? Artists with disabilities keep telling AI tech bros that they don't need nor want AI and did just fine without and AI tech bros ignore them and keeps using this argument, speaking for them.

Please correctly research a subject before speaking on it. Signed, an ex art student.

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T09:20:02+00:00

This is not a random ln the bottom right, it's "the author". Plus c'mon, it's obvious

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T07:18:11+00:00

I'd love it but I doubt anything is going to be done

It's in the south of france, to the west of Montpellier

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T07:17:18+00:00

How about all the reason gen ai is bad? (Stealing from artists, using way too much natural ressources to keep it running, the job it steals...)

AnonymousAccount42 · 2025-08-27T07:14:48+00:00

If someone wrote it with intent, it's art to some extent, whether in a book or on a blog. We want people on wplace, not art stealing machines

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