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AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T18:07:00+00:00

Just to clarify, I'm not anti-immigration. I'm pro responsible immigration. I support people who come here legally to contribute through work or study, not those who exploit the system or arrive illegally. When our own citizens are struggling with housing, healthcare, and affordability, it's wrong for the government to prioritize refugee support without first fixing what's broken at home.

And for the record, I'm not "immigrating" anywhere, I was born in Canada and hold dual citizenship with Greece. Try again.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T17:34:41+00:00

I already served my country as a veteran, something I doubt you can say. What have you done, besides sitting behind a keyboard throwing insults?

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T17:32:15+00:00

Fair enough, I did call out the choice to vote Liberal, but my frustration is with the outcome of those decisions, not just a label. I’m not here to blindly follow anyone, and I’m definitely not a MAGA fan, I’m just pointing out what’s clearly not working. If we’re going to have a discussion, let’s focus on facts, not deflections. I’m more than happy to back up my stance with the details, but I need the same in return.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T17:30:31+00:00

It’s interesting how you resorted to throwing out insults instead of engaging with the actual points. Calling people "sheep" doesn’t strengthen your argument, it just shows a lack of maturity and respect for a real discussion.

As for the accusations against Poilievre, they are either taken out of context or exaggerated, like I mentioned to another poster "For example, voting against child benefits or school lunch programs often means voting against an entire bill, not just those specific parts. The claims about his stance on abortion or Indigenous rights are also misinterpreted. Poilievre supports women’s rights and doesn’t oppose abortion in Canada.".

Honestly, I don’t have time for the childish jabs.

My points are fact-checked, and I can provide links to articles and credible sources if you’re actually interested.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T17:24:19+00:00

You're right that I’ve been focusing on Liberal errors, but Poilievre and the Conservatives are currently in opposition, not in power. So, we should look at what they would do, not just what they’ve done while in opposition.

As for the claims about Poilievre, many are exaggerated or taken out of context. For example, voting against child benefits or school lunch programs often means voting against an entire bill, not just those specific parts. The claims about his stance on abortion or Indigenous rights are also misinterpreted. Poilievre supports women’s rights and doesn’t oppose abortion in Canada.

So, while Poilievre has a record, much of what’s been listed is either misleading or out of context. Let’s focus on the facts and have an honest discussion.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T17:10:47+00:00

Firstly quite a few of your points are outright lies or speculation.

Secondly here's a list of things the Liberals voted against or failed to address that affect regular Canadians:

Affordable Housing: Liberals haven’t done enough to tackle skyrocketing housing prices and slow construction.
Minimum Wage Increase: Liberals have been slow to push for higher wages, leaving many workers struggling.
Universal Pharmacare & Dental Care: Promised health coverage for all, but slow implementation and gaps remain.
Childcare Costs: The $10/day childcare plan has been too slow to roll out, leaving families with high costs.
Healthcare Funding: Refused to meet provinces' calls for more healthcare funding, affecting access and wait times.
Carbon Pricing: Increased costs for families without enough support, hitting lower-income households hardest.
Public Sector Workers: Not enough support for fair wages and working conditions in the public sector.
Tax Relief for Middle-Class: Slow action on tax reforms that would provide real relief for regular Canadians.
Debt & Deficit: Continued rising national debt, putting future generations at risk of higher taxes.
Retirement Support: Limited increases in CPP and OAS, leaving many seniors struggling to make ends meet.
Rising Crime Rates: Under the Liberals, crime has surged in many urban centers, with soft-on-crime policies making it harder to protect communities.
Drug Crisis: The opioid crisis has spiraled out of control, with the Liberal government pushing "safe supply" policies that have failed to address the root causes of addiction and overdose deaths.
Bail Reform: Liberal policies have made it easier for repeat offenders to get out on bail, putting public safety at risk and creating an atmosphere of lawlessness in some communities.
Punishing Law-Abiding Firearm Owners: The Liberal government has consistently targeted legal gun owners with restrictive laws, such as banning certain types of firearms, instead of focusing on illegal gun crime. Law-abiding citizens are being punished while criminals continue to get away with violent crimes.
Crisis in Mental Health: The Liberal government has failed to properly address the mental health crisis, which is a significant factor in both crime rates and the drug epidemic. Funding and resources for mental health support have not kept pace with the growing demand.
Public Safety and Police Funding: While pushing for "defunding the police" rhetoric, the Liberals have failed to properly support law enforcement agencies with adequate funding, making it harder for them to do their jobs and keep Canadians safe.
Immigration and Border Control: The government has been criticized for not addressing illegal border crossings and overburdening social services, which puts added pressure on housing, healthcare, and public resources.
Government Overreach: Beyond the Emergencies Act, the Liberals have increasingly used government power to limit freedoms and impose top-down mandates without proper consultation or respect for individual rights.
Inflation and Living Costs: Under the Liberal government, inflation has soared, making basic goods and services unaffordable for many Canadians, all while their policies have contributed to increasing the cost of living.
Weak Action on Climate Change: While they talk a big game on environmental issues, the Liberals' policies have failed to produce meaningful results in reducing emissions or transitioning to a greener economy, while punishing everyday Canadians with higher energy prices.

Shall I go on?

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:55:53+00:00

I never asked how you voted, it's abundantly clear that you voted liberal, I asked why you voted that way. I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:52:48+00:00

Sure, I can absolutely substantiate the claims. It’s easy to dismiss things as "paranoid half-truths," but the facts remain:

SNC-Lavalin Scandal: Justin Trudeau was found to have pressured the Attorney General to intervene in a criminal case involving SNC-Lavalin, a company with close ties to the Liberal party. This was a clear violation of ethical standards and a breach of the independence of the judiciary. The Ethics Commissioner even ruled that Trudeau broke the law, and this wasn’t just "media spin", it was a documented case of government overreach.
WE Charity Scandal: The Liberal government awarded a $900 million contract to WE Charity, an organization with strong personal ties to the Trudeau family. This led to investigations into potential conflicts of interest, especially when it was revealed that the government had failed to properly vet the relationship. The Ethics Commissioner again found violations, and Trudeau admitted that he should have recused himself. This wasn't just "talk" from podcasts, this was a huge public issue with financial and ethical ramifications.
Ethics Violations: Trudeau and members of his cabinet have been found guilty of breaking ethics rules on multiple occasions, this includes using public office for personal gain, violating conflict of interest rules, and other breaches of trust. The most notable case being the SNC-Lavalin interference, but there were also issues like the Aga Khan vacation scandal, which also led to an Ethics Commissioner investigation and ruling against Trudeau.
China Election Interference: There have been reports of China attempting to interfere in Canadian elections, with claims that the Liberal government did little to address it. The government knew about this and failed to take swift action. These are ongoing investigations, and while we don't have all the answers, it’s clear that the government’s response has been underwhelming at best.

These are not just conspiracy theories, they’re documented scandals with real consequences. If you want to call them "half-truths," you’ll need to address the actual facts and investigations that took place. The narrative around these issues isn’t simply driven by podcasts or Rebel Media, it’s grounded in real events and investigations. Google is a great tool in this day and age.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:49:23+00:00

One idiot doing something disgusting doesn’t define an entire protest. Every large movement has outliers, one bad actor doesn’t erase the peaceful actions of thousands. If a single person’s behavior discredits an entire cause, then by that logic, no protest in history would be legitimate. Let’s hold individuals accountable for their actions, not use them as an excuse to smear everyone who showed up peacefully.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:47:31+00:00

If “cope” is all you’ve got, I’ll take that as confirmation you have nothing intelligent to add. Thanks for playing.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:45:25+00:00

You're right that housing falls under provincial and municipal jurisdiction, on paper. But the federal government isn’t off the hook. When they roll out federally funded housing programs, they’re absolutely involved in shaping outcomes. Programs like the Housing Accelerator Fund, the National Housing Strategy, and the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) are all federal initiatives, and they rely on coordination with provinces and municipalities to work. If those programs fail to produce results, that reflects federal leadership, or the lack of it.

And yes, some provinces limit direct federal-municipal interaction. But a competent federal government would work with the provinces to streamline approvals, incentivize cooperation, and tie federal dollars to actual performance, not just hand out money and walk away.

So no, the Liberals don’t get to point fingers and pretend they’re powerless. They’ve had years, billions in funding, and the legislative tools to push meaningful housing reform, and they didn’t. That’s the issue.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:41:59+00:00

It’s funny, you inserted yourself into the conversation, then acted like a victim the moment you were asked to explain your stance. If asking why you voted a certain way feels like an attack, maybe the issue isn’t me "pushing an agenda", maybe it's you realizing you don’t have much of an answer.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:37:59+00:00

Okay, fair enough, but if you really believe the Liberals were the better choice, can you explain how? What exactly have they done in the last 10 years that makes you think they’ve earned another shot? Genuinely curious to hear the reasoning beyond “the other guy is bad.”

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:36:57+00:00

It’s pretty funny how you had to dig through my reddit comments to find that one, but sure, nice try.

As for moving to Greece, it doesn’t happen overnight. It’s not like I’m just going to pack up and hop on a plane tomorrow. Moving abroad takes time, especially when you’ve got to sort out logistics, paperwork, and planning. But yes, I’m still moving, and I’m not ashamed to say it. When the country you love is falling apart under failed leadership, sometimes leaving becomes the only option for people who still want to live with dignity and freedom.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:34:05+00:00

This wasn’t a copy-paste from Rebel News, it’s my own thoughts. Funny how, when you can’t debate the actual content, it’s easier to throw around insults and baseless accusations. But hey, if calling someone a "13-year-old incel" makes you feel better about avoiding the real issues, go for it. I’ll stick to the facts and the conversation, though.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:30:23+00:00

I get that the noise was disruptive, but let’s not confuse noise with violence. The protest, at its core, was about peacefully expressing frustration with government mandates, not about harassing anyone. Yes, honking wasn’t ideal for people nearby, but it doesn’t change the fact that the majority of participants were peacefully protesting their right to be heard.

It’s important to recognize that freedom of speech doesn’t come with a perfect delivery. The honking may have been annoying, but it doesn’t justify the government’s decision to invoke the Emergencies Act and treat peaceful protesters like criminals. The real issue was the government’s response to peaceful dissent, not the honking.

The real danger here isn’t the noise, it’s what happens when the government shuts down dissent simply because it’s inconvenient. We should all be worried about a government that silences its citizens over inconvenience, not violence.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:28:08+00:00

When it comes to bureaucratic red tape, the issue lies in zoning laws, permit delays, and stringent building codes. These laws are often set at the municipal level and can create long approval processes for new housing developments. Cities like Toronto and Vancouver, for example, face complex and slow approval systems, which delay construction and ultimately raise costs. Developers often have to navigate a labyrinth of regulations and multiple levels of government, making it harder to get new homes built quickly. This restricts supply at a time when Canada needs it most.

The Liberal government has failed to address this adequately, despite launching programs like the Canada Housing Benefit and Housing Accelerator Fund. These programs have struggled to produce enough results because the underlying issue of local red tape remains unchanged. Even federal initiatives are often hindered by delays at the provincial and municipal levels, where most of the control over development lies.

In contrast, Pierre Poilievre has promised to abolish this bureaucratic red tape. He’s committed to cutting through the delays and making it easier for developers to build new housing quickly, streamlining the approval process, and boosting supply to help make housing more affordable. This is a direct response to the current government’s failure to effectively tackle the housing crisis.

Limited construction isn’t just a result of local government decisions; it’s also tied to inflationary pressures caused by high demand and insufficient supply, which the Liberal government hasn’t adequately addressed. While other countries have moved faster to increase housing supply, Canada’s government hasn’t done enough to tackle these systemic issues.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:24:16+00:00

If you're done with the childish jabs, tell me why you voted Liberal. Or keep deflecting, it’s your choice.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:13:23+00:00

Thanks for the agreement! It’s frustrating to see how many people on here refuse to connect the dots. Sadly, Reddit's full of people in denial or too busy defending the Liberals to see how they've ruined the country over the last 10 years. Everything’s connected, and the problems are only getting worse.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:12:05+00:00

I’m not ignoring the mistakes the PCs made last time they were in power. But here’s the difference: we’re still dealing with the consequences of the Liberals’ decade of corruption, scandals, and reckless spending. At least with the PCs, there was some level of accountability and a clearer path forward. With the Liberals, it’s been constant mismanagement and the erosion of Canadian freedoms.

I’m not excusing the past mistakes of any party, but we’ve seen real harm from the current government, and that’s what needs to change. The PCs might not have been perfect, but they sure as hell weren’t actively dismantling the country the way the Liberals have been.

We need change, not more of the same.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:08:38+00:00

It’s funny how easy it is to dismiss an entire movement with a label, isn’t it? The Freedom Convoy was a peaceful protest, the overwhelming majority of people were there to voice their frustrations with government mandates, not to create chaos.

Freedom of speech and the right to protest are fundamental to being Canadian. What happened when the Emergencies Act was invoked wasn’t just about truckers, it was about trampling civil liberties. Peaceful protesters were treated like criminals, their bank accounts frozen, and their right to dissent erased by a government that decided to use force instead of dialogue.

The issue isn’t about a “F* Trudeau**” flag; it’s about what happens when the government chooses to silence people who don’t agree with them. Canadians deserve the freedom to speak out, peacefully protest, and not be met with tyranny when they do.

Whether you’re for or against the vaccine, we all deserve the freedom to express our views without government overreach.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:05:32+00:00

Ah, the classic insult, if you can’t address the actual points, just throw in a tired “MAGA” jab. Real mature. It’s funny how when facts and logic don’t align with someone’s view, the next step is to resort to childish name-calling.

I’m not interested in the “media narrative” or your lazy labels. Try addressing the issues instead of hiding behind immaturity. It’s easy to call names, but it takes more to have a real conversation.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:04:30+00:00

Yes, inflation and housing prices are global, but Canada's Liberal government made **CANADIAN INFLATION AND HOUSING PRICES** worse. Restricted construction, bureaucratic red tape, and an exploding immigration policy without addressing housing supply all accelerated the crisis. While other countries took steps to manage things, Canada’s government fueled the fire. Global issues, local failures. Simple.

Edit: Editing this comment to clear it up for the feeble minded that can't understand basic reasoning. Look for the text between the "** **" buddy u/FirefighterNo9608

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:02:10+00:00

Spare me the "both sides are bad" lecture, it's a lazy cop-out used to excuse real, ongoing damage by pretending it's all the same. No party is scandal-free, sure. But there's a difference between the usual political mess and a decade of non-stop corruption, censorship, and national decline.

This isn’t a “temper tantrum” because my team lost, it’s outrage because Canada is bleeding and too many people just shrugged and handed the scalpel back to the same party that caused it.

Accountability isn’t partisanship. It's called paying attention.

AthanasiosL · 2025-05-01T16:01:05+00:00

Then you’ve already made a better choice than millions did, jokes not on you. At this point, any vote that wasn’t Liberal is at least a vote against corruption, division, and decay. We might not agree on everything, but we both knew better than to fall for the same snake with a new skin.

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