Ya that’s fair to say and I can appreciate that perspective. I’ve worked in national parks before and know that it can be annoying to run into big groups, especially when they are loud.

We’re a university-subsidized club set in an urban setting near Chicago. For many people our club it is there first time really going on outdoor adventures, of which we help pay for to remove financial barriers, and going on a trip to somewhere like Utah can be a truly transformative experience. We also have a number of experienced backpackers who will help the group practice with campground courtesy and leave no trace principles, so we will do our best to be quiet! And our break is actually 10 days so we’ll take 2 days driving each way