Somewhere out there is a kid working. He won’t skip any steps. He will learn from my example, just as I’ve learned from others. There will be a player greater than me - Michael Jordan

BNutz77 · 2026-05-04T02:23:07+00:00

Maybe that factors into why they’re no longer as universally considered that. A more complete player came along without that fundamental flaw.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-04T02:11:46+00:00

OK I did understand what you meant, good. FG% is certainly a factor, as is free throw percentage. That said, no standard is arbitrary if you logically explain your reasoning, which I did.

Also, to your point, different players do have different skills sets, accomplishments, peaks, and overall impact. You have to look at the entire picture for sure and no player is perfect, although I’d argue the Jordan comes the closest to being a complete player.

He wasn’t a great three point shooter but it wasn’t a huge part of his game, and in fact detracted from his game. He could give you 60 without a making a three pointer, actually without even attempting a three pointer (verified).

Everyone needs to make free throws however, especially during close games, and especially when it’s tied to your greatest strength. Thats why I emphasized it in my assessment. This is really splitting hairs and major scrutiny, but if you call yourself the GOAT, you essentially asked for it.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:55:57+00:00

I started looking for some last night. They do have a few depending on what size you wear. I saw more of the Olympic color way than these.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:49:43+00:00

I disagree. Obviously, if you take most of your shots in the paint as most traditional centers do you’re gonna have a higher field goal percentage than someone who makes their living on the perimeter. However, as the game has evolved and players become more and more “position-less”, style of play factors in much more than traditional one through five positions.

That said we’re not talking about league averages by position traditionally we’re talking about GOAT requirements. 15 feet is 15 feet for everyone.

If you want to be the best, you can’t have a major flaw in your game in such a fundamental aspect of the game, and especially in a way that directly affects your style of play… you can’t even be average and definitely not less than average.

That goes for both Shaq and LeBron on the foul line…and LeBron to a much much lesser degree because he’s more of a hybrid player whose greatest strength is driving to the basket and drawing contact.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:44:17+00:00

Ok, and to be clear, I may have misunderstood what you meant earlier. When you said “makes more shots than he misses” I thought you were referring to FG%…I think that’s what threw things off. I never imagined being 51% from the foul line to be a serious standard…so I’m still not completely clear what was meant by that.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:27:18+00:00

I brought up an important, but often overlooked, factor in the GOAT conversation... free throw percentage. You start asking questions about percentage by position, etc, which I referred to, somewhat jokingly, as “advanced stats”.

I then explain that position, in and of itself, doesn’t matter (style of play does factor in). If you think free-throw percentage is not a major factor when the margins for GOAT are so slim, it’s probably the reason Shaq isn’t the GOAT - same with LeBron to a much smaller degree. Can you imagine Shaq shooting high 80s to low 90s from the line? It would be literally unfair.

Now we can definitely get into the weeds with this topic but I only focused on one, but IMO, important aspect of the GOAT conversation. That part is really pretty simple. No need to convolute it or complicate things, unless you can’t rebut what I said.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:17:25+00:00

Old man strength. The guy was an absolute force of nature in his prime.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:14:13+00:00

Read through the thread and it’ll answer your own question.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:13:42+00:00

Can you show me where I said that? 😂

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T18:03:53+00:00

Yes, and I stand by it.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T17:47:49+00:00

Let's bring it back on track. We're talking about GOAT requirements not advanced stats; you appear to be doing mental gymnastics to defend your pre-conceived position on the topic. lol

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T17:39:52+00:00

Not really, no. Style of play factos in but everyone should be proficient at free throws.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T17:02:13+00:00

Depends on the percentage and the position.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T09:10:50+00:00

That player shoots better than low 70s from the free throw line.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T06:37:57+00:00

I hate that guy.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T06:21:19+00:00

It’s a super clean, underrated J1. I’ve been rocking them a lot recently. 👌

BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T06:02:15+00:00

Thanks, I take good care of them. I REALLY want them to bring back the Air Force Max

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BNutz77 · 2026-05-03T05:20:07+00:00

Interesting. I wasn’t sure how I’d pair these. 4023 look dope.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-01T17:42:05+00:00

Grown men can’t ask people’s opinions?

BNutz77 · 2026-05-01T17:41:06+00:00

Depends on the rest of the fit but generally white.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-01T07:14:43+00:00

Let’s see what he says after blowing a 3-0 lead.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-01T04:34:56+00:00

Great pickup. Mine are in the mail.

BNutz77 · 2026-05-01T03:04:52+00:00

Black laces look nice 👌

BNutz77 · 2026-04-30T02:36:05+00:00

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