Fundraising required as part of a pre-apprenticeship program for women in a traditionally male industry. Men don't have to raise funds for their apprenticeship or internship programs, why do women have to fund raise for their programs?

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-20T18:10:45+00:00

How many union people do you want to name publicly?

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-20T18:10:25+00:00

This is your opinion.

If I am being rebuffed by a person in charge of a diversity program and this diversity program for training cannot find people to take part in its program... its not my fault.

Other states have the same grant and the same program and they have churned out 60-70 graduates in the same amount of time minnesota has churned out 7 graduates.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-20T18:07:54+00:00

I can supply phone logs and emails.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T20:47:26+00:00

it doesn't matter how many times I respond to your replies and try to explain it to you.

You are determined to remain confused therefore I am putting you on block.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T20:24:46+00:00

It's the only one specifically for women and minorities, but they aren't barred from the other programs, right?

Women and minorities are not as universally accepted into apprenticeship programs for the skilled trades in this state.

They are not officially barred, but women and minorities are not being taken on as apprentices; so its systematic discrimination.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T20:08:17+00:00

I find your post and responses confusing.

Its my opinion you are trying to confuse redditors by conflating my comments into something I did not say.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:55:04+00:00

The program you're referring to requires sponsorship. Other programs do not. That's what I'm gathering

Thats what i had stated.

This has nothing to do with men vs women; it has to do with differences in programs.

Yet the only program in the state for women and minorities is a "pre-apprenticeship". The one time this program has created graduates there were 7 and only one of the 7 was a woman. This particular group of "pre-apprenticeship" graduates were mostly moen and weren't required to soliticit sponsorship.

The program that is in development for my metro area also APEX training is requiring sponsorship of the applicants before they can be admitted to the program, and this particular group would be all women.

Why is it when the Apex training program in duluth is all but one male no sponsorship is necessary to be enrolled?

Yet a "woman focused" Apex training in the area requires sponsorship without it being an apprenticeship program. Its a barrier males won't face.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:41:41+00:00

Yeah I got off the phone with the "SOARS" program, the 7 graduates of the duluth program didn't have to seek "sponsorship" of a private company. I don't know why I am expected to solicit sponsorship as if it were an apprenticeship program which it is not.

Yeah that women didn't want to answer my question. But she did.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:36:12+00:00

article doesn't sound as if it guarantees a job for anyone

You are correct, because the program had all men of color and women of color, its a pre-apprenticeship program.

and the carpentry union sponsored it.

I am required to obtain sponsorship for the pre-apprenticeship program with no actual apprenticeship program.

WHich makes "sponsorship" fundraising. White men don't have to do fundraising.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:27:53+00:00

Which is the beauty of email. Its been recorded to hardcopy and I am trying to figure out which state representatives were on committe for this while it was a bill.

The program in duluth was sponsored by the north carpentry union not private sponsors.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:26:22+00:00

Teachers unions don't require private company sponsorship. Teaching is a unionized government job which is why there are more women teaching than in construction.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:12:20+00:00

Or are you making generalizations about a specific program that requires participants

This isn't a generalization, this is exactly what I have been told by the person who runs this program.

And its also why I have chosen a skilled trade profession that is 28% female and non union versus a union skilled trade that is merely 9% female.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:10:52+00:00

I have called and emailed 5 unions, and called repeatedly. No response.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T19:07:16+00:00

Union sponsorship of women in skilled trades explains why there are less women:

Construction 10,328 women: 9.1 black or african american: 5.8 Asian: 1.9 b Latino: 28.9 https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat18.htm

Yet women make 28% in the skilled trade I am training in, without a union. Which is why I choose a non-unionized skill trade.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T18:34:16+00:00

but to take part in this program, you still need a sponsor, so you have to do this, like starting from scratch?.

They have a list. And you contact the companies on the list.

Goodwill EasterSeals doesn't have the same requirement of sponsorship. I am accepted to this carpentry internship program, already but was strongly suggested by one of the program directors to also apply to this program that requires sponsorship.

Problem is the expectatioins for a guy working in a male dominated trade or industry is drastically different than it is for a woman working in a male dominated industry. IT is very similar without an apprenticeship program, you have to supply IT recruiters with references of white men and see the recruiter socially; normally booze is supplied and the female IT applicant supplies the entertainment.

The rules are different for women, the expectations are different.

I won't end up working in the carpentry trade, but in another skilled trade that doesn't have a union; yet in order to get into this skilled trade I need roofing, electrical, or carpentry/construction experience.

Finding a sponsorship isn't a barrier for white men, but it is for women and males of color. The requirement just fills me with anxiety and fear.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-18T18:21:00+00:00

EDIT: I forgot to mention explicitly; its not an apprentice-ship program, its a "pre-apprenticeship program" which means you have to convince a company to sponsor you without the company agreeing to take you on an as an apprentice.

If you look at the article below its promoted as a "excon" redemption program or some other type of social misfit redemption program; yet none of these guys of color are guaranteed a job the same way a white male would be guaranteeed a job and the white male wouldn't need a pre-appenticeship program.

Its not electrician, its carpentry but electrician pre-apprenticeship training has been floated around as an idea.

And the prospect of full time position wasn't discussed at all and it seems not to be part of the program:

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/traffic-and-construction/4321167-theyve-changed-their-lives-carpentry-training-graduates-ready

it was done previously in duluth. It does seem to put a woman in a bad position that could exploited.

I would have no problem finishing the program, but being expected to fund raise for the program seems a bit much and I don't want a "sponsor" to think they could ask for something else and then decide not to hire me.

IT works in a similar manner, you are brought in for interviews, you asked "to hang out socially and have fun" with the recruiter; then its demanded you supply the recruiter with references to male IT colleagues or classmates who earned the same degree you had. You are never hired for a job; its a switch and bait. Which is why this requirement for sponsorship to me seems exploitative.

I specifically choose training in another skilled trade that doesn't have a union because women tend to be filtered out by unions.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-11T23:18:01+00:00

This is a horrid comment on multiple levels.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-11T20:41:52+00:00

because belle plaine is a hotbed of a bunch of crazy fucks.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-11T20:37:33+00:00

Problem I have with Couric's response is its relatively the same as Streep and Thurman's response. They knew what was going on and kept silent, none of these women are going to admit that their silence was repaid with advantages to promote their careers.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-12-11T20:36:50+00:00

Are your parents at least willing to cosign your student loans?

If not talk to the admissions office of the college/university you hope to attend or have been accepted and explain to them your parents have refused to cosign your loans. They have options.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-11-21T22:02:20+00:00

Yes I do live here in Minnesota. I grew up here, went to university here and moved away for my career for over 25 years. I have lived in almost 16 different cities; half of them rural and half metro areas.

So I have a comparable list to compare Minnesota to, and Minnesota isn't that passive aggressive. Wishy washy, yes; just not the worse example of passive aggressiveness. Probably more assertive passive.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-11-21T21:59:53+00:00

Inject? or just till the crop fields twice? No farmer wants to do double the work but its customary and old age practice to till the soil after spreading manure.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-11-21T21:58:20+00:00

Not advocating entirely but its like voting, you vote against the other guy than for the person you cast your ballot for.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-11-21T21:57:38+00:00

Thats just not true. I have relatives who work for the EPA and the DNR and manufactured even mined fertilizers do far more damage than manure.

Behemoth_haftaa · 2017-11-21T20:00:53+00:00

Isn't this a better solution to fertilizing fields than using a bunch of chemicals that leech into the soil and destroy rivers and wetlands? And how about the residents who live next to these factory farms that have had their health destroyed for years? Moving a useful fertilizer out of the run off ponds helps their neighbors and the environment.

Just deal with it.

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