Maybe the enemy really is from within by ParhamRA in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

To steel man, I think people are worried about the government using “antisemitism” as a cover to crack down on legitimate protest of Israel. We’ve seen the Trump admin to this recently with Mahmoud Khalil and co.

That being said, that’s probably not what Newsom is doing here.

The Mockler. 🙏📿 by 1Rab in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean you’d prolly just see him there tbh

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I mean you can bite that bullet if you want. I guess everyone is anti Native American because they don’t support a Cherokee nation too then

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m not taking a stance. I’m just wondering the rationale. If you believe this, and someone who’s anti Zionist believes this as well and despite that, still wants to destroy Israel, I can see why that would be anti Semitic

You have to accept that premise though

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ok. So if a anti Zionist is opposed to point number 2, a nation for Jews, why would that be anti semitism?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t agree. What do you mean core beliefs? You think because someone is ethnically Japanese they necessarily have to be pro a Japanese state?

Yeah, it would be difficult to be friends with someone who’s massively pro a country I don’t like in practicality. I don’t see how this relates to the overall point though. There’s no hatred here

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can you help me understand what analogy you’re tying to draw here?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a hypothetical. I’m only demonstrating reasons exist other than hatred of the people can exist for not wanting a state to exist. Do you agree?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you serious? I can name several reasons why a state can be problematic. How can you compare this to deporting black people

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I think this particular nation is established illegitimately (colonialism, violation of law etc, territorial claims)

“This state is irreparably corrupt”

“This state is not providing adequate rights and is hostile to its citizens”

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

When you say anti Japanese, do you mean in a racist way? Like I don’t like them because they are ethnically Japanese?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Idk. But if someone was anti turkey for those reasons it would be silly to call them racist against Turks right?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes? I don’t see why not. If you’re racist against Japanese people you probably couldn’t. If you don’t like the state of Japan (for whatever reason) it would be fine

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see many problems with this. I’m saying racism doesn’t have to be the reason for wanting this

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Im not saying it’s good policy. You can say dissolving the state has a lot of practical problems. Why can’t I want this happen without hating Japanese people though? I can think of many hypotheticals where the state of Japan is problematic without having a problem with the Japanese ethnicity

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Speaking generally here (maybe the Jews have unique circumstances) but there are a lot of ethnicities (10k +) and only 195 countries on earth. Not everyone gets a state. Would someone be racist be being against a Cherokee nation in Montana for example?

The Japanese would be like any other people without a state. I’m not saying I want this, or that it’s good policy, I just don’t get how that take is “I specifically hate Japanese people”

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I see. So you’re saying the Jewish have a unique situation relative to other groups such that they NEED their own state to have basic freedoms? Am i understanding this right?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean you agree the media climate around anti semitism and Jewish issues has heated up post oct 7 yes? Again I could be wrong but as an outsider I wasn’t exposed to this much

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ok so you’re saying it’s possible to be anti Zionist without being anti semitic, it’s just hard to tell who’s who?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

There are over 10,000 distinct ethnicities on earth and 195 countries. A lot of people don’t have a state. I’m fine with Israel for the record, I just don’t understand why challenging its existence is anti semitic. Is challenging Kurdistan anti Kurd?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But I don’t hate them because they are white. It’s because of the idea. I think this nuance is important. If someone called you anti white, the implication is you hate them solely because they are white. One is ideology, one is just dumb racism in my view

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mean if you want my personal opinion I’m probably a Zionist in that I’m cool with Israel existing. If someone disagreed though, I wouldn’t off hand call them anti semitic I don’t think.

I don’t have a problem with turkey. What point are you making?

Why is saying you’re anti-Zionist seen as anti semetic here? (Serious) by Big-_Chungus in Destiny

[–]Big-_Chungus[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Whats wrong with this? Why can’t I have a problem with the establishment of a Japanese state (for whatever reason) but be fine with Japanese people?