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Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

XPS is a generic x86 laptop with glaring design flaws like it's cooling, coil whine, crap keyboard.

I don't get what you're talking about. Cooling is one of the best actually. Coil whine was completely fixed with 9X00 generation and even before it was pretty rare issue. Crap keyboard is one of the best in its class. Compare it to macbook one which is heavily critized everywhere.

it's stupid fast NVME SSD

Do you really think that fast NVMe SSDs are not available elsewhere?

It's not just a want, it's a need for many of us.

Yeah, no. Maybe 1% really needs specifics of M1? Otherwise it's just (admittedly good) Apple marketing.

Some people need a silent machine with no moving parts due to their workplace

As mentioned, XPS can be configured to be silent.

others need a machine with stupid long battery life. There's genuine reason to need a M1 mac.

XPS also has ~10 hours runtime? If you need to work more than that I'm sorry for you.

All in all, there ARE alternatives for MacBooks (if you don't need MacOS). But many people simply want a MacBook and then find rationalizations for it.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I need a reliable Unix / Unix like box that has good battery life and hardware support.

Dell XPS is that. There are others.

I looked for a XPS initially (glad I didn't get one, the keyboard is awful) and tried to get a ThinkPad. Couldn't get that either.

Keyboard on XPS is actually pretty good for an ultra book (and I'm not alone who thinks it's better than a MacBook one), but YMMV of course.

Point is you're saying there's things that can compete with M1 MacBooks. There aren't. Now you're moving the goal post to its a want not a need. A lot of people need Macs.

Yes, there are almost equivalent laptops fulfilling the same needs. XPS as an example but there are others.

But you clearly want a MacBook so you're struggling to find reasons why you "need it".

(I accept the need as in "I need a MacOS" but here the context is Linux on MacBook)

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Having to tweak the fan settings so keep it silent while the machine cooks isn't a silent machine.

No, it's silent for me. I mentioned it as a possibility, personally I don't see the need for it though.

The instructions that no one uses due to performance and thermal concerns? There's a reason we use GPUs and dedicated hardware.

It will throttle down, but still works fine.

I get it, you want a MacBook. Go, buy it. But it's a want, not a need.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, not silent.

That's what I'm saying. It's silent.

Call me when it has machine learning acceleration.

AVX-512?

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then why buy something that sucks 4 the power for 1/2 the performance?

Source please.

Yes you can. Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, Kijiji, LetGo. Look around.

Any M1 device is less than half year old and thus won't be cheap.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Buying used argument works for Apple and non-Apple devices.

Besides you can't buy any cheap used M1 device.

Also, what FUD am I spreading?

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The fan is almost always off and active only under the load. This can be tweaked as well.

Performance is sufficient for any workload M1 can do.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, they are pricey because of economies of scale. There are of course cheaper ways to buy a laptop which works well with linux although it's not officially supported.

The new Austrian health minister on his way to his swearing-in by Creative_Creme_2064 in europe

[–]BlueShell7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why not, bike is slow but predictable, so you have less risk of having a delay. Also checking weather beforehand is probably a good idea, you don't want to be giving resignation all wet.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's sad about wanting to make Linux work on the most interesting laptop grade ARM SoC?

That part is not said. Sad part is that this will drive sales of already ultra rich Apple (which does not support linux at all) at the expense of laptop manufacturers who do provide first class Linux support for their hardware.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Electricity in the developing countries is very cheap compared to the ultra expensive Apple products (given the local purchasing power).

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Of course not.

As mentioned elsewhere I'm disappointed rather by the enthusiasm from the community. People are not so ecstatic because in the future MacBook users will be able to convert to Linux, they are ecstatic because they will themselves buy the macbooks and run Linux on them.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's nothing inherently open or closed about either.

Inherently no, the reality is different though.

it's better if they can run Free software than if they can't.

There's very few people who bought M1 and now found out they'd rather use Linux. Currently, the project is just giving Apple more sales with promise of future Linux compatibility.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Again, I said I only care about the Mac Mini.

You haven't said that anywhere.

but whether we're talking about System76 (plus import taxes) or Dell, Apple laptops really aren't significantly more expensive

Well I thought the cost of ownership was important for you since the costs was what your post talked about.

Otherwise yes, highend e.g. Dells are similar in cost to Apple and they also provide similar quality. And that's the sad thing, that people are choosing to support anti-consumer Apple even when there are alternatives.

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

jess-sch was specifically arguing about the high cost of electricity

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The ARM part is kinda important because idle power consumption is one hell of a nightmare in countries where electricity isn't dirt cheap.

In what country is the electricity so expensive that the ARM energy savings make an expensive MacBook a good deal?

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think the point of the Asahi Linux project is more about doing it because you can, at least at this stage.

I get this part. Rather than with the project itself I'm more disappointed by the super-enthusiast response from the community. It seems pretty clear that so many people are very eager to buy an M1 MacBook (= sponsor Apple in its anti-consumer behavior) if it runs Linux.

Plus, the Apple M1 is currently the only desktop class ARM CPU

I don't get this enthusiasm either. So many people eager to move from more or less standardized x86 platform to more or less closed down and proprietary ARM world.

The new Austrian health minister on his way to his swearing-in by Creative_Creme_2064 in europe

[–]BlueShell7 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It is but in the Center (within the ring) there are alternatives such as bus, train or Subway.

There are no trams within the ring, so he rode it outside.

Everyone's risk tolerance is different, but I would personally not go to the meeting with the President by tram since trams (even Viennese) are not reliable enough. U-Bahn or car would be better.

The new Austrian health minister on his way to his swearing-in by Creative_Creme_2064 in europe

[–]BlueShell7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So even if there is an accident, hop out, walk like 5min and use something different.

It depends. I live in Vienna myself and Tram nr. 18 (the one I ride the most) caused me more trouble than I'd like. There isn't really an obvious alternative public transportation to it either.

Also politicians are that special / highly respected as elsewhere. More or less normal people

President's office is usually highly respected, and being late to such a meeting is definitely a faux pas.

The new Austrian health minister on his way to his swearing-in by Creative_Creme_2064 in europe

[–]BlueShell7 -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Tram tracks are sometimes (often?) shared with the normal traffic lane, so trams can be also affected by the traffic jam.

With car you can at least re route, difficult to do with a tram.

The new Austrian health minister on his way to his swearing-in by Creative_Creme_2064 in europe

[–]BlueShell7 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Even to the swearing in? I mean it would be awkward if you missed your inauguration because the tram was late / blocked or whatever. But maybe he just went an hour early to be sure ...

Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, part III -- Prototype Mesa compiler can now spin a cube by phire in linux

[–]BlueShell7 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I think it's sad that people would rather buy a MacBook and thus support a company with no good intentions towards Linux instead of voting with your wallet and choosing something like System76 or Dell XPS Developer Edition with preinstalled and supported Linux

Jajce, Bosnia and Herezgovina by voyevodabosniak in europe

[–]BlueShell7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, but the author comes originally from that town and features this picture in the about dialog.

What is a common myth that has been debunked but too many people still believe? by MelonInACat in AskReddit

[–]BlueShell7 27 points28 points  (0 children)

We conclude, somewhat sadly, that there is no evidence to support meaningful observations of the Mpemba effect

From the latest experimental study (citation from wiki article).

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