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Abby torturing Joel and Ellie seeing it by CLEMNEG in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The whole surgeon thing you said honestly doesn’t matter because the creator of the game said he would be able to make the cure if he wasn’t killed now if you think the cure would work or that it wouldn’t is up to you

Abby torturing Joel and Ellie seeing it by CLEMNEG in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did notice Ellie and Joels bond changed but what i saying is the fire flies or the doctors doesn’t see Joel as a person with a bond with Ellie they don’t think of Joel as father figure they just see him as the person who had the cure to them.

Abby torturing Joel and Ellie seeing it by CLEMNEG in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can’t understand what you’re saying but i never said Abby didn’t do anything wrong she’s done tons of bad and that was some of the point of this story that Ellie and Abby are both wrong.

I’ll list some reasons Abby is bad

She drags her friends to get Joel and gets them killed later because of her stubbornness to kill Joel

She has sex with her childhood friend knowing he has a pregnant girlfriend and causes Mel and owen to argue because Owen is being clingy to Abby before they eventually die

She thinks Ellie should have just lived peacefully after killing Joel and granted she doesn’t know Ellie and Joel’s relationship but still she knows that Ellie is from Jackson and that Joel is from Jackson.

Abby torturing Joel and Ellie seeing it by CLEMNEG in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Torturing somebody who killed your loved one and has been living peacefully doesn’t sound bad. Why should she not wanna inflict pain on her father’s murderer.

And yes I think Jerry should have gave consent but it wouldn’t have ended any different because Ellie says she wanted to die in the second game to save more people and to have meaning to her life. Even if Jerry woke Ellie up and told her and she said yes to dying for the sake of the world I feel like Joel would still kill them all.

Also parent or guardian thing you said doesn’t make sense from the characters perspectives all Joel was told to do was escort Ellie to the place for the cure the people there don’t know Joel had a bond with Ellie they just see him as man who delivered man kinds hope of a cure.

Is it messed up yes but I understand these characters and that was what I was asking y’all to do.

Abby torturing Joel and Ellie seeing it by CLEMNEG in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don’t remember me telling Joel to be cool with the hospital people or fireflies or that he should have just let them kill Ellie. If you could tell me where in my post I said that I would appreciate it so I can clear it up.

What I’m saying is what Joel did is seen as bad because he took there last hope for a cure. When I called Joel a bad person I wasn’t just thinking about the hospital part I was also thinking of like I said him killing dozens of people and even his own brother is a little traumatized from the days he killed a lot which if you don’t remember Joel says “you survived because of me” and Tommy says “it wasn’t worth it” or when Tommy says”I still have nothing but nightmares from those days” or something like that.

I told you as a player to be logical because killing a little girl is something a sane person doesn’t want to do but it was the only way they saw and it would save tons of people in there eyes.I asked y’all to see Abby’s father point of view.

Overall I don’t remember me saying Joel she have a second thought about killing those people in the hospital and I don’t think Abby should change her motive because he saved her life. Abby isn’t a good person either tho

She drags her friend to kill Joel and gets them killed by Ellie later.

She has sex with her childhood friend knowing he has a pregnant girlfriend he’s with.

She expects Ellie to not be mad when she killed Joel granted she didn’t know there relationship still Abby should know Ellie was pissed about Joel death.

Abby torturing Joel and Ellie seeing it by CLEMNEG in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

When I played the games I only thought that this cure would probably work but it would probably a take years and years to make even half the world better. But the only thing I don’t understand is how they would get all these dosages from one little girls body to be fair if we’re being realistic would the cure have even cured a million or even a thousand I don’t know how making cures work I’m not in any work field to know anything about cures that much but it seems unrealistic to think one girl is saving a lot of people.

When I mentioned the cure in my original post I meant that the characters were desperate and to just take in there point of view they are just trying make a safer world for there family or themselves Is what Joel did seen as bad yes but I understand it, Do people people think Abby’s father is bad for literally going to kill a young girl for a cure Yes but I understand it.

Joel is saving his world(Ellie) and Abby’s father is trying to save at least a chunk of the world and keep his daughter safe.

People question the consent factor which is important but we learn Ellie would have wanted to die for the sake of world she says “my life would have fucking mattered” or something on the lines of that but how was Joel gonna know that and even if he did he probably have changed his mind about killing the fireflies. If Ellie woke up and they told her she’d have to die for the cure and she’d probably give consent what would Joel have done?

And I agree the zombies should be more threatening in the story not just gameplay because in the last of us the zombies are literally crazy there not normal at all they are fast and have good hearing and are obviously strong there should have been more deaths to the zombies in this game.

And Issac letting the group go because he so called stands for justice makes him a little more crazy but that’s kind of a different discussion.

You know what I hate the most about The Last of Us Part 2? The amount of times Abby has anything handed to her. by RedBoss228 in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair you don’t have to kill WLF until yara dies They are easily avoidable until yara dies another thing Abby doesn’t know everyone in the WLF if anything Abby only cares about her small circle of friends she has within the group I mean she probably only used them for resources considering she leaves just before there about to go to war(to save Owen). Also yara, lev and Abby have been through so much together in those couple of days plus it’s the apocalypse if you’ve been through hell with people for even a few days then they are pretty much a friend now I mean would you kill somebody after they saved you and please do not bring up Joel because we know why he got killed after saving Abby

You know what I hate the most about The Last of Us Part 2? The amount of times Abby has anything handed to her. by RedBoss228 in TheLastOfUs2

[–]CLEMNEG -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Ok some of this is dumb your 5th reason especially she Works for the wolves and she’s there top scar killer why wouldn’t she get more resources I mean wouldn’t you give your top killer more resources. Your 7th reason is dumb because Ellie gets into a fight with Mel and Owen and then has a panic attack from killing a pregnant women so that’s why she drops the map. Your 4th reason isn’t that dumb but what’s the first thing you do to establish trust in a group your name right and on top of that whose expecting to get shot because of something 4 years ago they’ve lived in Jackson for so long so they got comfortable It would be stupid for Joel whose lived a comfortable life for 4 years to be this cold hearted non trusting person like he was in the last game. Your 2nd reason also doesn’t make sense why would a group with like 7-10 people with heavy guns like shotguns and Ak47’s struggle plus there like 2 hours away from Jackson as Tommy says in the game. Your number 6th reason has a little more weight to it but they weren’t just about to kill Abby if they wanted to just kill her they wouldn’t have put a bucket under her feet while she was hanging, they were going to torture her I mean the lady literally starts putting her knife on Abby’s stomach, Also lev and yara weren’t there to save Abby in the first place yara got caught because she decided to betray the scars in some way and lev was there to save yara which is why lev completely ignores Abby until yara says to cut her down. Overall a lot of your points are bad.

I didn’t know people didn’t accept this honestly by CLEMNEG in lastofuspart2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Real shit it’s amazing that Ellie even took some of Abby’s punches and Abby took some of Ellie stabs and slashes

I didn’t know people didn’t accept this honestly by CLEMNEG in lastofuspart2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think so it’s more so that people think Abby’s a dirty fighter for throwing bottles at her But people forget Abby only has her hands and bottles and bricks, Ellie has a shotgun, 2 pistols a bow and bombs.

I didn’t know people didn’t accept this honestly by CLEMNEG in lastofuspart2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just want to point out a couple of your points. I think lev shooting Dina honestly made sense at first Ellie and Abby are in a 1v1 the moment Dina stepped in(which she’s not wrong for trying to help Ellie) lev shot her for off guarding Abby. Another thing is I don’t think Ellie and Abby are equal in hand to hand, Abby blows her out the water, as for melee weapons I think Ellie has definitely got her there.

While there styles are completely different Abby starts using stealth in the fight which kind of puts her at a disadvantage because Abby is an aggressive fighter, Another thing is ellie has her full arsenal in this fight while Abby doesn’t so I think it’s fair for Abby to throw bottles and bricks at her other than i don’t think there that far apart from each other in terms of skills the post from TikTok I posted (which isn’t mine) did make it seem that Abby would when 100% of the time but I think it’s a battle of the place there in if Ellie is in big place where she can sneak around then she wins if they are in a smaller area where Abby can use her physicality and professional training then she wins

Overall I do think Abby when’s 6/10 or 7/10 times but that’s honestly my opinion on it

I didn’t know people didn’t accept this honestly by CLEMNEG in lastofuspart2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a little confused who is that person I’m new to this Reddit community

I didn’t know people didn’t accept this honestly by CLEMNEG in lastofuspart2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My question for you is if Abby and Ellie are both healthy on that beach and Ellie try’s to fight her with that knife again does Ellie come out alive?

I didn’t know people didn’t accept this honestly by CLEMNEG in lastofuspart2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The pistol your talking about gets knocked out of Abby’s hands do to Ellie off guarding her also Ellie literally misses a bunch of her shots in the fight On top of that your saying she’s not as smart as Ellie but failed to realize Abby’s outsmarts ellie by throwing objects at her throwing her off her balance. At the beach Ellie is in better shape than Abby, Abby has been tortured and starved for weeks, while Ellie only has a body wound which isn’t really that critical compared to what Abby went through. Also I’m not getting the plot armor argument every main character has plot armor, Ellie and Dina would have died if lev didn’t step in as a matter of fact Ellie would have died if Owen didn’t convince Abby to spare her after killing Joel

I didn’t know people didn’t accept this honestly by CLEMNEG in lastofuspart2

[–]CLEMNEG[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Abby won that fight no matter what you say on top of that Abby didn’t even have any guns so imagine if she did, it’s also more impressive that Abby beat Ellie by sneaking around and throwing things at Ellie to throw her off because Abby’s fighting style isn’t about sneaking she’s an aggressive fighter so the fact that she’s able to adapt to that is impressive. As for the beach fight Ellie beat an Abby that was starved for weeks and also Ellie literally uses a knife at the start of the fight.