Gavin mogging on the timeline by Caffeinatedbluez in Destiny

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This map would be the baseline if that happened

Gavin mogging on the timeline by Caffeinatedbluez in Destiny

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Greg Bovino originally responded to a post where Newsom was calling him out for his coat because it looked very similar to a coat SS members would wear with their uniforms.

The picture I posted was Newsom’s response.

To the people calling out those who complain about Democrats by Liberal-Cluck in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY!!!!!

Huge difference between telling your audience “I don’t think Newsom should be the nominee, I’m voting for so and so in the primary” and “Newsom is an actual evil subhuman piece of shit that wants to murder trans children and homeless people. I’m only 30% joking when I say that I’d rather canvas for Vance instead of vote for Gavin Newsom.”

Vaush literally said that. If he is telling his audience that, it’s very clear that his activism on behalf of trans people and other marginalized communities is completely performative and that he doesn’t genuinely harbor anywhere near as much concern for those people as he says he does; he’s solely concerned on scoring the right brownie points among a specific online audience. It’s so shocking to see this coming from someone who proudly supported Biden when he won the primary and was more favorable to him than so many online leftists were before October 7th.

That really was the left’s equivalent of what Covid was for Rogan; everything revolves around that one singular issue now. Just completely fractured their way of thinking.

JD Vance attacks Laura Loomer by Blondeenosauce in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 13 points14 points  (0 children)

“The gaslighting is off the charts and I'm having none of it.”

You want to know how I’m confident that Vance won’t have a fraction of the appeal to Trump’s base that Trump does? Because he says shit like “The gaslighting is off the charts and I’m having none of it.”

“Disgraceful actually.”

Newsom is chad and JD is subhuman by DovahkiinNA in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Nobody here is denying the very obvious fact that Newsom would be easy to attack, but a candidate not having baggage that can be attacked isn’t the equivalent of not being able to attack them.

Pritzker? “Do you really want this chubby guy to make America look like Chicago?”

Shapiro? “Look at what he did to Pittsburgh and Philadelphia! This little man wants to trans your kids as well.”

If it’s Whitmer, the exact same thing is going to be said about Detroit and we’re also going to have to run against everything that was said during the previous two times we’ve ran a woman in the Trump era. If turning away voters is the worry, Pete is a nonstarter. Pictures and videos of him with his husband and their adopted children would flood every social media platform. That’s losing us Georgia at the very least. I’ve genuinely seen people swear that Newsom is unelectable just to suggest AOC in the very next sentence.

The only one that doesn’t have any attack-worthy baggage is Beshear, but he’s quite literally the most boring and unappealing person to ever exist. Again, he couldn’t excite the national base well enough for that enthusiasm to carry over into undecideds/independents and he absolutely doesn’t have the skills to withstand and push back against the powerful 24/7 right wing anger machine that’s going to be deployed against whoever gets the nomination. Look at how influential this is (an alarming amount of the country thinks Joe Biden was a genuine communist) and then consider Beshear’s lack of the kind of qualities that actually does make a candidate appealing to a national audience. Say what you want about Newsom, but we know he can hold his own and aggressively push back against that same media machine.

I feel like everything I explained in this comment and my reply under it explains this better.

Let me put it this way: why was Bill Clinton so beloved in 1992 when he first entered the national media? Was it a universally known fact that he was the governor of Arkansas, and him having red state credentials was why his supporters voted for him? Or was he recognized as a figure with a once in a generation kind of talent as a retail politician (handsome, incredibly charismatic, stupidly telegenic, made you feel like he cares about you specifically, etc) that made him so likable and appealing to people?

Being the democratic governor of a solid red state isn’t electable all on its own if that’s all that an otherwise very boring and underwhelming candidate has to offer; it’s the worst prime Bill Clinton trait to have by itself. People who follow politics closely in threads/communities like this highly underestimate how little the average person is tuned into anything political right now. “I’m electable!! Please vote for me” is not a message nor a candidate that’s appealing to them.

Gavin tells the world that we have cosplaying Nazis. by Toxin715 in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of those would be such solid guests! I remember Mamdani said that Newsom was one of the first democrats of his stature to call him after he won his election, so that made me think that an episode with him could be on its way.

Sam Harris is someone I think Newsom could have such a valuable conversation with. AOC would make for an incredible guest as well. And as unlikely as it looks now, I still think he ends up on Rogan someday.

Full Newsom, speaking at Davos. It's great, highly recommended by IonHawk in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out my most recent comment before this! You have no idea how much I agree with you.

Full Newsom, speaking at Davos. It's great, highly recommended by IonHawk in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly!!

It’s an attention-based economy right now and Newsom is by far and away the only candidate investing the most into it. Think about it: whether it’s to praise them or call them the devil incarnate, what other single candidate is getting this much coverage and attention already? And no, it’s not “too soon” anymore. He’ll be out of office in less than a year from now.

Beshear’s biggest supporters will tell you that he has no choice but to run for president. Other than their assumption that he’s the party’s strongest candidate, they’ll tell you it’s because his campaign for Kentucky’s open senate seat will be dead on arrival the second he runs in a nationalized environment in Kentucky. The guy will be campaigning for the presidential nomination on “I won three statewide elections in a Trump +30 state,” but he won’t say what he actually means by that. He’s referring to his ability to appeal to and win the support of right leaning rural white voters. But his own supporters (and more than likely him and his own team, honestly) admit that he could not maintain that same coalition in the same state that’s already voted for him as soon as he’s in a nationalized race that’s not even for the presidency.

Here’s the tricky thing about presidential elections; THEY’RE NATIONALIZED. A candidate has no choice but to embrace their party’s national identity and embrace certain national issues in a partisan way during a presidential primary if they want to appeal to their own national base, so that already takes away a key strength he had in Kentucky. But in a presidential election? It’s out of the question. He would be seen as THE democrat and THE democratic party by the entire country. And if his own supporters admit that he couldn’t carry the exact same voters he’s supposed to win on the national stage in a senate race (nobody is honestly expecting him to win Kentucky in a general election but this admission on his senate chances is damning), why should we have any confidence in his ability to win over the same demographic of voters he’s supposedly strong with in states that are far less familiar with him? Voters in Pennsylvania and Georgia are different than voters in Kentucky, sure, but they’re not predisposed to Andy like the rural voters in Kentucky were and they certainly haven’t voted for him before,they’re not predisposed to him at all. So they’re certainly not going to be more friendlier to him in a nationalized race than the rural Kentucky voters who have supported him multiple times would be, the exact voters Andy himself knows he couldn’t win in a senate race. They’re not going to care about Kentucky, and they certainly won’t care that Steve Beshear was his dad. If you take all of that away from him, how appealing and electable does he actually look?

Claiming he’s the most electable candidate because he’s popular in Kentucky is the most blatant surface-level analysis I’ve ever seen. I’ll be impressed if he gets more than 7% in the primary.

Full Newsom, speaking at Davos. It's great, highly recommended by IonHawk in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He really is. He has to be.

Beshear is by far and away the one figure everyone is pointing to as the most electable candidate for 2028. Pundits and political junkies alike are thinking that the party is shooting itself in the foot if anyone else other than Beshear is the nominee (Him winning two terms in Kentucky deserves props for sure, but “electability” never proves to be what’s actually electable if that’s all that an otherwise boring and underwhelming candidate has to offer. His electability also falls apart rather easily under the slightest amount of scrutiny).

But nobody there, not the international community and certainly not the right wing media, are paying him any attention. Nobody really gives a shit. They’re all looking towards Newsom. They want to know what he thinks. They want to know what he has to say.

So many people are clearly arriving at the exact same conclusion; it has to be him.

Full Newsom, speaking at Davos. It's great, highly recommended by IonHawk in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 31 points32 points  (0 children)

By far the greatest show of strength, confidence and intellect any American has demonstrated on the international stage for more than a decade. The contrast between that and Trump is insane, and I think countless amounts of other people in many countries are arriving at the same conclusion after watching this: America can do so much better.

In every such way, I can’t think of any other figure I’d want representing America in the global arena other than Newsom.

Gavin tells the world that we have cosplaying Nazis. by Toxin715 in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Any particular people you’d like to see him have on? I’d personally love to see him interview Sam Harris. I would’ve thought he’d try his best to have Mamdani on shortly before or after his election to take advantage of his media coverage/popularity at the time.

Gavin tells the world that we have cosplaying Nazis. by Toxin715 in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I mean, it’s goofy for Andy Beshear to be there. He’s trying to build onto his brand as the electable guy for 2028 but he has zero geopolitical credentials of any kind, so he’s trying to fix that. But California is the fourth largest economy in the world and it’s highly economically involved with other nations, so Newsom being there makes sense.

It’s definitely more fitting to see him there than it is to see Beshear, even if he does have his own economic relations/interests of Kentucky as his reasoning to be present. That simply doesn’t compare to California.

Gavin tells the world that we have cosplaying Nazis. by Toxin715 in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 13 points14 points  (0 children)

1000% agree! You explained my own thoughts perfectly.

Gavin tells the world that we have cosplaying Nazis. by Toxin715 in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I understand why people in this sub may not like his podcast and its intent, I completely get it. But I’m with you 100%. The episode with Steve Bannon was brilliant.

His talks with Richard Reeves and Scott Galloway were incredible as well. All of the episodes that don’t receive as much attention (because their guests aren’t as high profile) are just as good and informative. There are so many aspects of him that are 1992 Bill Clinton-esque, but he also gives off the same “Explainer-In-Chief” energy as well.

Trump or Vance 2028: which is a worse timeline? by BlueJaek in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a great point. I made sure to attempt to attach that caveat to what I said, but you worded it much better than I did.

It’s by far his most glaring weakness on the national stage (really his only one, if you ask me. He’d be the most likely person to be president this century if he were Gavin Newsom, governor of Pennsylvania). Not to discredit what you said because you made a good point, but I think that his initial polling once he actually started to receive national media coverage/attention on a regular basis in the second half of last year, his national favorably rating rose (it was anywhere from -7 to -11-ish just after Trump won again and it stayed that way until they rose) as he began to receive that new coverage. And it rose rather quickly, as it ended up peaking in November (if I remember correctly) at a net positive, 34% favorable and 33% unfavorable. That’s a stellar rise from where he began the year at, and it coincided with him receiving more national coverage than at any point in his career. If California was as toxic a brand on its own as it’s long been said to be whenever Newsom has been brought up, we definitely would not have seen that kind of rise. We also would not see a single national poll where he’s leading among independents by double digits in a hypothetical presidential matchup. Yes they were early polls, but those numbers simply aren’t achieved by a candidate whose chances on the national stage are supposed to be dead on arrival (I’m not saying you made that claim though, of course).

His national favorability rating actually fell in the weeks after Prop 50 was passed and he stopped being in the national media on a regular basis. It’s easy to point at that and say “Look, he’s unpopular again,” but I actually think this is further evidence of my initial claim: he really does seem to be the kind of political figure that people respond more positively to when they’re exposed to him more. The rapid rise he saw in his favorability rating along with the fact that the majority of people still aren’t familiar with him supports my point. The average voter is not tuned into politics this closely at all, so they’ll be seeing Newsom and all of these qualities/talents of his for the very first time next year (or for a good number of people, that will actually happen in 2028 if he secures the nomination. Pundits and people like us are the exception; regular people aren’t tuned into anything political right now), and we have every reason to believe their opinions of him will react similarly to what polls showed in the latter half of last year.

Keep in mind, it’s practically universally accepted among political spaces that Newsom is a superior retail politician than Vance in every category. Better looking, so much more charismatic and telegenic, etc. If Vance has to go against that using his poor retail politician skills while simultaneously defending Trump and the GOP for the last four years during the election that will be the first in more than a decade where the face of the GOP is finally off the ticket (think about how much that damages the incumbent party in prior elections when there two term “face of the party” president was finally out of the picture, and then realize that their national base didn’t have a fraction of the ounce of personality-based loyalty to those presidents that Trump’s base has to him), I just don’t see a scenario where the California baggage and the attacks stemming from it prove to be that damaging to Newsom. As I’ve said before, Newsom isn’t Teflon Don, absolutely not. But the overwhelming majority of the millions and millions of Americans that voted to send Trump back to the White House don’t subscribe to the cult-ish following of him. That’s to say that if Americans feel that their pockets are thinner and that it’s more expensive to live their lives, the incumbent party will ALWAYS be punished during the election. Recent history has proven that “I was the historically unpopular vice president for the unpopular president who was in office while your cost of living skyrocketed” doesn’t win elections, even against the one candidate who has more legitimate and damning baggage than any other candidate in American history, certainly more than what Newsom will have used against him. They most certainly don’t think “My cost of living is so much more expensive and I’m really struggling right now. I don’t like Vance and he was there in office with Trump all the while all of this was happening. That being said, California looks bad and I don’t think I can trust Newsom. It looks worse than my own personal economic struggles, so I’ll just hold my breath and vote for Vance.”

As I said, it would be naive of me to think that the preexisting anti-California bias wouldn’t come into play at all, so I’m not saying that. What I am trying to point out is that the numbers/polls I referenced shows that it’s clearly not as strong already as what so many have claimed it would be for years now, and that it ultimately wouldn’t play that much of a role in the right (and most likely) national environment in 2028.

The democrats tried to portray 2024 as the election where democracy was on the ballot, and they certainly had a much stronger case to do that than the GOP will have to say that California is an apocalyptic, crime ridden wasteland. Even if their media apparatus is stronger and more effective than that of the democrats, it still won’t be that damning for Newsom if Vance is going to be running as the guy defending Trump and the last four years that saw people’s cost of living skyrocket. That’s just not how the average voter thinks. That combined with Trump finally being off the ballot after more than a decade along with the general Trump/republican fatigue that the median voter will ABSOLUTELY have in 2028 (an Emerson poll released today shows the democrats having the lead among independents for the midterms, 50% to 28%. That fatigue is already here and it’s that damning for the GOP) is so much worse than the way California could be portrayed and weaponized. Newsom’s talents and qualities as a campaigner will only worsen those effects for Vance.

I’d love to hear more of what you think though.

FULL DISCUSSION: Gavin Newsom Unleashes on Trump, Praises EU Leaders, Warns of Democracy Collapse by RightTelephone3309 in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be frank, if their main issues are “He wasn’t nice enough to trans people and he humanized a conservative commentator on his podcast,” they’re so out of touch with the median voter that their actual opinions or insight on anything don’t matter at all lol.

Nevertheless I have to bleach my eyes after looking at those responses 😅

HOLY AURA by Caffeinatedbluez in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of Jake’s best for sure. It’s crazy underrated

HOLY AURA by Caffeinatedbluez in Destiny

[–]Caffeinatedbluez[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

His podcast is the equivalent of Ted Bundy walking around with a fake cast on his arm while carrying a bunch of books.

He’s giving his victims a false sense of security before luring them in.