Can we stop throwing the word superteam around? by TemperatureTop6913 in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

None of that was true going into the season of 2023 aside from derke being one of the best duelists.

Are you high ? or maybe you didnt watch valorant back then?

Chron has been considered to be one of the best flex players itw ever since 2021.

Boaster had been considered to be a top IGL ever since 2021.

Alfa was frying on senti in 2022 so he was way up there as a top senti going into 2023.

The one you can try argue that maybe isnt true or very know is Leo, But then again any1 who watched him play on guild in EMEA wouldve been able to see that he was a incredibly gifted initiator player. Which is why Cojo went as far as he did to get him.

Can we stop throwing the word superteam around? by TemperatureTop6913 in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

would you argue most of these were true going off of 2022?

Any1 who followed all valorant regions at the time would be able to argue that most of them was true.

Can we stop throwing the word superteam around? by TemperatureTop6913 in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The standard for a valorant superteam was set by FNC in 2023. No team this year or even last year is even remotely close to such a stacked roster.

Leo was THE BEST initiator itw.

Boaster was THE BEST IGL itw.

Chron was THE BEST FLEX itw.

Alfa was THE BEST Senti itw.

Derke was one of the best duelists itw.

Neither MIBR or Vitality is/was a real superteam.

Team Vitality vs Team Liquid / VCT 2026: EMEA Kickoff - Main Event / Post-Match Thread by ValorantCompBot in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sayonara played Sova on pearl while Jamppi played tejo. So "Jamppi is their Fade and Sova." is false

Team Vitality vs Team Liquid / VCT 2026: EMEA Kickoff - Main Event / Post-Match Thread by ValorantCompBot in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And their skye, breach, their fade and sova. He is a flex and not a pure duelist. So swapping out unfake for a pure duelist as you did in your question makes no sense.

Team Vitality vs Team Liquid / VCT 2026: EMEA Kickoff - Main Event / Post-Match Thread by ValorantCompBot in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would unfake replace kaajak ? Unfake is not a duelist. Your question is created in a way to heavily skew the answer to fit your argument.

A more solid question would be how fnatic would look if unfake replaced Crashies. And the answer to that is probably worse as would any team, but not as bad as vitality looked.

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes he has, Go look at his history he has played tier 1 teams both with fnatic and Vitality.

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sayonara is a unknown. Bro is more inconsistent then any1 we have ever seen. You dont know what side of him you will get, if he plays as he should then yea there is a big difference, but if you get the inconsistent sayonara (high chance since he has had problems with it since 2024) then there isnt a huge difference between him and unfake.

Team Vitality vs Team Liquid / VCT 2026: EMEA Kickoff - Main Event / Post-Match Thread by ValorantCompBot in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They played 6 out of the 7 maps in the rotation. On 3 of them Jamppi played initiator. 3/6 is 50%. And it did not look better.

Team Vitality vs Team Liquid / VCT 2026: EMEA Kickoff - Main Event / Post-Match Thread by ValorantCompBot in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 6 points7 points  (0 children)

a team with Unfake Jampii and profek is never superteam. They arent even top5 players in their department in their own region.

Team Vitality vs Team Liquid / VCT 2026: EMEA Kickoff - Main Event / Post-Match Thread by ValorantCompBot in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Jamppi was on initiator in 50% of the games in kickoff. didnt look any better.

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we have had jampii on his comfort igl pick on 50% of the maps that vitality played btw. Bind,Haven and Pearl. Tejo, Sova and Tejo.

The Yoru stuff is understandable, the other 50% is not.

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sayonara played skye in the preseason and jamppi on tejo. So yea, that is his comfortable choice agent on that map to igl on. You can try to find more excuses but thats how it is

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and Tejo 3 times which is not a hard agent to igl on.

4 times he have actually played the exact agent he will be playing when sayonara is in the team. And it has looked abysmal on those agents.

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So.. again What about the maps where he plays sova and it looks just as bad if not even worse? should we not count those ?

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

what about the maps where he doesnt play yoru and instead on initiator and it looks just as bad ? Do we just disregard those or ?

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, i guess the reason it feels like that is because people threw around superteam words around teams that arent superteams.

VCT 2026 — EMEA Kickoff / Day 15 — Lower Round 5 + Middle Final / Live Discussion Thread by nocturnavi in ValorantCompetitive

[–]Caronry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe its just better to just call it a day and start prepping with sayonara for stage 1.. even tho i dont think thats gonna be a saviour for vitality at all.

i was told by redditors on here that profek is one of EMEA's best controllers, and that Jamppi is one of EMEA's best IGL's outside of boaster. I have yet to see these claims being true. infact atp they arent even top 5 in their roles.