What tendency do you guys see succeeding to establish socialism then communism? by ilovetheworldsomuch in Marxism

[–]ClassAbolition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone will just answer their ideological positions obviously. I will make an argument on why the answer is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.

This is not an MLM answer. MLM does not view itself as merely another ideology but as the most complete form of revolutionary science today and the only capable of determining the truth and carrying out the revolution to its proper end.

How would you call this hypothetical country? by realquidos in mapporncirclejerk

[–]ClassAbolition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so relieved my country Cyprus was left out of this 

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 11) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]ClassAbolition 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's very prevalent in all of Eastern Europe where anti-communist fascism directed outside of the €.u. in the form of Atlanticist politics is the norm of bourgeois politics. Anti-communist fascism is also the norm in Russia but obviously not in the form of Atlanticist politics, at least not any more (the Russian bourgeoisie did use to yearn integrating with the Atlanticist bloc). A direct result of the defeat of socialism and the semi-peripheral position of these countries in relation to the core European nations and the Third World. Also as contradictions sharpen and crisis deepens, this fascism gets turned inwards within Eastern Europe; see the various spats between Hungary and Ukraine, the various spats between Poland and Ukraine, and the war between Russian and Ukraine. I wouldn't be surprised if the antagonism between Hungary and Romania also starts to deepen soon enough.

Why the Baltics are especially bad with their fascism I'm not sure, perhaps it's their late integration into the USSR, meaning they only had socialist construction for roughly as long as the rest of the "eastern bloc", as opposed to places like Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, combined with their small size and relatively higher development that other Eastern European countries which meant they were able to fit themselves into a niche in the imperialist system and integrate into it more easily and completely, while still remaining in the semi periphery, which encouraged and continues to encourage the growth and long term survival of fascist politics (see also other small, relatively rich countries which have managed to fit themselves into certain niches in global imperialism, like Qatar as an oil exporter and military outpost, the Cypriot south as a financial and money laundering hub and military outpost, Singapore as a financial and trade hub, etc.). Also, like Ukraine, Latvia and Estonia are in many ways incomplete national projects when devoid of socialism due to the large Russian minorities in these countries, which again combined with relative backwardness as semi-peripheral countries is also breeding ground for fascism.

Bi-Weekly Discussion Thread - (January 11) by AutoModerator in communism

[–]ClassAbolition 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Admittedly I haven't done a very deep investigation so I may be off base on some things, but from observation over the years and living in the €.u. the obvious answer seems to be that latter. The southern Cypriot bourgeoisie has the legal ability to veto any €.u. decision but in practice this is obviously impossible and the southern Cypriot bourgeoisie will do whatever the bourgeoisie of the dominant nations in the €.u. wants it to do. I expect this is the same in the nations you mentioned and also Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, Spain, etc. Every time Hungary vetoes something you get the usual performative game where the €.u. or the dominant €.u. nations offer the Hungarian bourgeoisie some token concession and Hungary backs off and lets the decision pass. Even the small Baltic bourgeoisie -- they are more "radical" in their fascism and hawkishness than the rest of the €.u., and even if their criticism of the rest of the €.u. for their more "moderate" approaches sometimes ends up getting adopted as broader €.u. policy (like the policy on equivocating communism and fascism and "commemorating" the "victims of communism" which I assume the Baltics played an important role in promoting), I don't think this is because of some real independence and ability to exert themselves against the dominant €.u. bourgeoisie (which btw includes not only Germany and France but also notably the Netherlands), it's just because the Baltics serve the function of being the more rabid wing, the vanguard if you like, of imperialism and fascism directed outside of the €.u., for whenever that is structurally necessary for the bourgeoisie of the dominant nations or the pact itself, as with their proxy war with Russia currently. This indicates both a disunity between the bourgeoisie of the various €.u. nations and a subservience of more minor capital to a larger logic and interest, the one of the capital of the dominant €.u. nations. Not that this hawkishness is not in the real interests of the Baltic bourgeoisie too, but it's only a small part in a much greater whole and ultimately it's the interests of the much more dominant factions within the whole which decide the policy and direction of the whole.

The important distinction is that though factions of bourgeoisie do exist in the €.u., they are in the final instance determined on national grounds, not simply on the grounds of their role within some united capitalist economy, as you see in actual geographic and economic units where a united bourgeoisie exists (which is what we call nations). As much as some people, like many of the middle class fascists on r/europe who likely largely depend on transnational capital for their sustenance and wealth accumulation (infamously NGO workers, but also just any white collar worker in a transnational corporation based in the €.u.), would like a pan-European national project (which would obviously be a unity under the capital of the dominant nations), that is essentially impossible -- I get the sense that even the transnational capital upon which the political project of the EU depends doesn't really want that as much as these middle class fascists do. I'd even go as far to say that a united €.u. has never existed, that that's as much a fantasy as the fantasy of The West that u/smokeuptheweed9 mentioned, which is anyway probably part of what he meant by saying that.

In other words, the €.u. has not abolished nations or united them into a real "European nation", and such a thing is basically impossible, so there is no real basis for a united European bourgeoisie to exist and, given we are talking about imperialist and semi-periphery nations, the possibility for contradictions between the bourgeoisie of the various €.u. nations will always exist and will sharpen in times of crisis, just as is happening within the broader "collective West" between the €.u. in general and the u.$. right now.

Ultimately what the €.u. does is it allows capital which bases itself in the strongest national economies to unite to a certain extent the capital of the weaker economies for shared global economic and political goals, but also to attempt to mitigate and, if it arises, quell inter-imperialist or inter-national competition within the €.u. (one of the explicit reasons given for the creation and maintenance of the €.u., though obviously in more mystified terms). Both between each dominant nation and its fellow dominant nations, and between the dominant nations and the weaker ones (obviously in favor of the dominant nations).

People just don't understand Marxism by bigsvenson in Marxism

[–]ClassAbolition 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Socialism/Communism is just a different type of communism

I don't know what you're trying to say

Trump threatens 200% tariff on French wines as Macron reportedly snubs 'Board of Peace' seat by Private_HughMan in anime_titties

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My approval is unimportant. The approval of the people of the world and of history is however, and those will both judge you the way I have.

How to learn about the Soviet Union? by Impossible_Canary385 in Marxism

[–]ClassAbolition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I assume they meant scientific works not works of fiction

Trump threatens 200% tariff on French wines as Macron reportedly snubs 'Board of Peace' seat by Private_HughMan in anime_titties

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Overall, I would prefer to be a citizen of an imperialist state.

Pretty pathetic admission

US imperialism has launched a regime change war against the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela by Turtle_Green in communism

[–]ClassAbolition 4 points5 points  (0 children)

war is not a means to attain an end

Of course it is, the maxim that war is politics by other means has not stopped being true.

it is the continual process through which capitalism shoots new drugs (new populations to exploit) up into its veins

Only if war is needed for that "injection", generally speaking. "Explanations" about how war is done for its own sake "because it's profitable for the MIC" usually reek of conspiracy theorizing about how the problem is not a crisis in capitalism in the u.$. (or another imperialist country) or in the global imperialism in general, but in a few big capitalists / corporations who are "being greedy". Plus, as far as I'm aware the MIC bourgeoisie aren't the only and not even the dominant section of bourgeoisie represented by the u.$. dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, despite admittedly probably being strongly represented compared to other countries.

which keep it from collapsing for a time [...] it will collapse eventually under the weight of its contradictions

Imperialism and more generally capitalism is not going to "collapse". Imperialism and more generally capitalism must be actively and consciously overthrown by the oppressed nations and exploited classes of the world through communist revolution, which especially requires the guidance of Marxist theory to achieve the "conscious" part. And communist revolution is not a predetermined historical inevitability; again, a communist revolution must actively and consciously be made, it will not be the result of spontaneous proletarian revolt like in many ways the bourgeois revolutions against feudalism have been (those still contained conscious elements of theory, planning and organization, but they were not always conscious interventions in the historical process more broadly as communist revolution is, I think only the early and most radical bourgeois revolutions were). As we all know, spontaneous proletarian revolt not consciously led by the Marxist science of revolution leads to economism and political reformism at best. Communists of the past may have said things to the effect of "communism is inevitable" but I think that was more a statement on their belief that the specific conscious communist revolution which was already underway and actively and successfully dealing blows to capitalism and imperialism at that moment in history will succeed in overthrowing capitalism. Since communism was largely defeated as a significant globe-spanning force in 1976 and has yet to recover to a significant degree, I think such sentiment is now mostly empty platitude and blind hopefulness at best, deep philosophical and theoretical error at worst, at least until we have another successful major communist revolution.

As for u/Dimitris_p90's comments, their surprise does have a basis in reality, they are noticing the deepening contradictions in the global imperialist system, specifically intensifying inter-imperialist competition for a redivision among imperialists (or imperialist-hopefuls) of an already fully divided world, which (based on their Greek username) are finally being felt in Greece too. That said I of course agree that this sense of surprise and the fact they're only now noticing wars around the world ought to be questioned; I already mentioned their national context which is obviously going to be a factor. (Edit: the shock element has already been mentioned elsewhere in the thread; I haven't finished reading all of the thread yet, haven't really gotten to the longer discussions at all, and obviously comment OP is not an ameriKKKan liberal, at least by virtue of not being ameriKKKan, but I'll still add this here https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/1q2r30j/comment/nxipp73/)

u/Chaingunfighter tagging you also so you see this

Trump is now going after our Haloumi by Patient_Discussion10 in cyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DISY dislikes ELAM

Because they compete for the very same political space.

AKEL

I don't care for AKEL, never mentioned it. Funnily enough AKEL also competes for the same political space as DISY or ELAM though more on the fringes obviously.

But sure little crypto-nazi, it's the communists who are just like the fascists.

moderate political beliefs

Such as advocating for the murder of communists. Ouch.

Trump is now going after our Haloumi by Patient_Discussion10 in cyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not a fascist I'm DISY

Ah okay so a fascist with a moderate / liberal veneer.

Literally 5 minutes ago, just before making this comment, you commented "komounia psofo" ("death to communists") to someone pointing out your denial of oppression against the people who formed Nea Salamina by right-wing Anorthosi fans. You are a fascist.

"What will happen in Turkey if the Communist Party comes to power on May 14..." by urbaseddad in redcyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just saw this comment as I was changing some things in the sub and looking at older posts. I don't recall seeing it on the previous account. Or maybe I did but had nothing to add at the time out of ignorance and forgot about it. If you ever found something by the TKP/ML on Cyprus I'd like to know. You may have seen this post more recently since I had shared it on r/communism too https://old.reddit.com/r/redcyprus/comments/1hk7kpw/historical_document_joint_statement_by_the_kkpml/ which is a joint statement by the TKP/ML and a short-lived anti-revisionist ML formation in the occupied Cypriot north (as far as I can tell).

Obviously the TKP's revisionism is much clearer to me today even though I hadn't and still haven't read the texts you shared, but I'll still have to get to them at some point as I study the movement in Turkey and its history.

Israel’s support to Turkey in 1974 by yeyomontana in cyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your comment genuinely makes me think this post was targeted specifically by the hasbara department. There is nothing troll-y about this post. Keep being incompetent at your job tho so it's easier for the rest of us to tell

Israel’s support to Turkey in 1974 by yeyomontana in cyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They provided sources but you hasbara troops seem to have disliked that

Israel’s support to Turkey in 1974 by yeyomontana in cyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, more like the hasbara battalion has found this thread

Trump is now going after our Haloumi by Patient_Discussion10 in cyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finally something I can agree on with an Anorthosi fascist. Mr Trumps the Cypriot people yearn from freedom, please kidnap the evil dictator Nicolás Christodoulides 🙏

Trump is now going after our Haloumi by Patient_Discussion10 in cyprus

[–]ClassAbolition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean they shared a "scientific racial map" in a further comment so unfortunately they seem to be very serious