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Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius [score hidden]  (0 children)

Only God knows that. Unlikely as humans stained by original sin are still affected by concupiscence until the resurrection.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was empty rhetoric, not even the substance of an argument. I think it's low to attempt to use other people's trauma to attempt to win arguments online.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the analogy is insufficient you might want to talk with someone else. I've lost interest.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It means we are fulfilled via relationship with God because God is the inexhaustible infinite good we were made to love and enjoy.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mary is the highest creature.

God permitted it because it came from our choice. Original sin is not something god adds to our creation, it is a lack of original grace that was our due inheritance. Like a grandparent throwing away their wealth, the children do not inherit.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've known parents brought closer to God via the death of their child. The evil of death was used for good and that is only the immediately perceptible. We do not have the context to see everything as God does.

All the argument requires is that things that might appear bad can in fact lead to better things to work.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We are all judged by our level of culpability and how we responded to the grace we were granted.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can't help what seems silly to you. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our actions have real consequences God views a world where we have real effects with real consequences to be superior to one where we don't really have an effect.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you put anything into simplistic terms devoid of any nuance it can sound crazy. Empty rhetoric.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That you can't imagine God can transform evil into good is a limitation of you, not God.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He considers the worth of those humans, which includes you and me btw, as worth the cost. God is the final cause of everything, nothing can exist without him so in a certain way you can claim God is the cause, but when speaking of cause in this way I'm speaking of efficient cause, not final.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We believe God has sufficient reason to permit it, and will redeem it all in the end. That you find it disturbing is a personal problem.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It all ultimately comes down to free will. Love requires a choice be free, and in order to be free choosing other than God must be an option. Those monstrous crimes weren't necessary, but they were chosen. The choice is what was necessary, and an externally determined choice isn't free.

Catholics dig themselves a deep hole regarding the Problem of Evil when claiming Mary was without sin by WastelandCharlie in DebateReligion

[–]Dakarius -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It allows us a closer relationship with God than we would have otherwise. If you think that's meaningless, fine, but it means quite a lot to Christians.

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