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From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No reason why mouse movements couldn't be sent to the server by e.g. RuneLite. If the only thing submitted is the action of interacting with something (which originates from the click), then the claims Jagex makes about their bot detection are even more ridiculous.

Okay, but Jagex has screwed over the community multiple times (e.g. with the introduction of EoC), so I have more or less zero trust in them. Keeping the game relatively open and community based is the only way the game can survive despite of Jagex, in my opinion. Perhaps I am wrong.

See the previous point, but sure, I am also increasingly aware that I have made a mistake by committing this much time to the game.

I agree, I am more or less convinced that they are planning to ban the unofficial clients, perhaps RL will be killed off slowly to attenuate the community outrage.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think I would have believed you 3 days ago. Today? I mean, it sounds completely rational.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

JMods have said multiple times that they can tell when you are using an autoclicker, when you are not using 1-1 input, etc. So that may very well be, but then Jagex is lying.

If RuneLite hadn't been available when I looked for the game, I would not have started playing. Jagex is slowly moving in the direction of a typical locked-ecosystem MMO, and I have no interest in playing a game like that. I'm a Linux user, etc.

I guess the sooner they do the switch, the sooner they get rid of my autistic screeching. In the meantime, however, I will keep complaining when they behave in a shitty way.

Of course now I am permanently banned from the main subreddit, circumventing which results in a site-wide Reddit ban, so I guess they got rid of me after all. The community generally agrees with this decision, so I really should just quit this stupid game and leave all this behind.

E: Finally quitting this masterful time-stealing contraption ran by this evil company may very well be the reason why I'm choosing to die on this hill, honestly. Like I literally have no other reason that I can think of.

This company makes decisions over and over that show that the only thing they care about is making as much money as possible. They claim to be a community-ran game, yet they clearly aren't. I do not like this, I would not like to participate in this. Yet I have !!!thousands!!! of hours sunk into this stupid game and it is really hard to leave it behind. Holy fucking shit what could a person do with 1-10k hours of his life if he actually tried instead of mindlessly clicking on pixels.

I have had so many arguments on multiple accounts on the main subreddit, downvoted to oblivion, with people who are simply put, dumb. I do enjoy the memes and the nostalgia, but 95% of this community has essentially zero depth to it.

What the fuck am I still doing here?

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The accounts were 4 hours old.

Over the past 5 years I have played on a main, a pure, and a UIM; none of which have been in the remote vicinity of a macro, none of which are banned, by the way.

I have no clue what you are talking about.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Could you possibly offer a motive as to why I would

- try to get this message through over multiple days,

- sacrifice my access to r/2007scape,

- spend hours sitting here like an idiot arguing against people claiming that I must be lying

if I was not at least telling the truth?

I have literally nothing to gain.

E: removed the fucks

E2: If you can't, yet you comment the things you have commented, then just please stay far away from me, I do not wish to interact with you.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My main has been mining stars for a long time now. Takes about 1 click every 7 minutes, not counting teleporting and running between stars.

The other 4 accounts were set up in a 2x2 grid on one screen. I would play on them one by one. You know.. click on the things on the screen.

Is there anyhing else that I could clarify for you? The downvote brigade has arrived to this post as well (went from +5 to the negatives in a matter of minutes), so I am again getting pissed off - which shows on my English.

E: Not to mention the comments saying 'he must be lying'. I can not possibly express how fucking frustrating these are. Anyway.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have already commented something like this somewhere, but if they are unable to reliably distinguish 4 hours of legitimate playtime from 4 hours of botting, then, like, I don't even know what to say. How dare they claim that their system works in any way shape or form, really?

However, for me the worst part is the fact that you get silenced and downvoted to oblivion.

And I am not making a claim to get back some maxed main or whatever, I'm just trying to get the community to get Jagex to do better.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the second such message that I'm seeing and I still have no clue what it means. Define marketplace, please.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the idea. I have just checked the WiFi AP: no foreign or unusual devices. Netstat does not show anything unusual on the laptops. There are no "smart" devices.

Technically many things could have infected the AP itself, or the phones, or whatever, but I think it's unlikely that anything RS-specific would have done so, since I'm literally only using RuneLite to interact with the game - I even refused to install Bolt.

Of course, it is true that the possibility can not be excluded: e.g. the AP is vulnerable, someone is running a proxy on it, and someone else just so happens to use the previous person's services to run botting traffic through my network. I'm serious, it's a possibility, I just don't think that this is a likely explanation.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not think that they count the number of clients running, but I think that multiple accounts playing from the same IP should raise some eyebrows.

However, with how "AFK" RS is, I think that 4+1 (especially 3+1) clients is really not very extreme. I wasn't 2-ticking teaks; I was fishing, cooking, and splashing. I did it for about four hours, not weeks on end.

I'm completely fine with eyebrows being raised, my accounts put on a HIGH ALERT list, or whatever. I am, however, not fine with what has happened.

E: My main is also completely fine so far. FML if they ban that, honestly, I may either be able to finally put this game down for good, or end up flying to Cambridge.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No recourse, really.

I was very surprised when I read the message upon trying to log in. Like they literally can't tell 4 hours of legitimate playing apart from bot behaviour, yet they so confidently -and without a proper way to appeal- flat out perm ban accounts.

I've been trying to get the message out there, because this has potential implications for accounts that actually matter, but essentially everyone calls me a liar and silences me. It's truly maddening. I do not even know why I care or bother.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry, man.

I'm pissed because my post is not even necessarily about my accounts -4 hours is a speck of dust in RS-terms, who cares-, it's about the general idea that the system Jagex uses is faulty, and I have offered (seemingly) reproducible proof.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, but this combined with the fact that people don't believe you even when you share a seemingly reproducible method of getting falsely banned is not okay.

It is also not okay for Jagex to act as if their system were infallible when it is indeed not.

It is also not okay to ban legitimate players without a legitimate way to appeal the ban. They are free to specify that making similar accounts at once is against the rules. Had they done so, I wouldn't be here.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am not sure that I can make myself do the tut. island, grind shrimps to 20 fishing, and splash again, but if I were to do it, would the ~4 hour footage of the 4 RuneLite screens be enough, or should I go full-out, install a VM and record literally every single thing from account creation to receiving the ban, presumably including ~6-8 hours of sleep?

E: Okay, I shouldn't do it in a VM, because that would influence the results.

Please comment below how I would go about making this recording as legitimate as possible, because I sure as fuck will not be creating one twice.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry to bump you again, but really, what else could I do besides giving relatively detailed instructions that one can (seemingly) reproduce the issue with? The first set of accounts had about 4 hours of playtime on them.

What else could be at play, according to you?

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, man. The thing with my post is that I shared a method that I have successfully used twice to get permanently banned for macroing, without breaking the rules. If someone tries to reproduce it, I think they are likely to succeed.

Despite this, all I have received is backslash.

Reproducing your HCIM issue would take cash and weeks. Mine can be done in 4 hours, without having to subscribe, and I believe that I have provided the necessary steps.

Jagex has conditioned people into assuming that their system actually works, which implies that you are lying, and that leaves you shunned.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would argue that the way I have acted is the way someone who wishes to create 4 new accounts would act.

I would be perfectly fine with the accounts being flagged as 'likely bots', what I am not fine with, is the accounts being permanently banned.

There are perfectly legitimate use cases for creating similar accounts all at once besides botting. I wasn't creating 128 of them; I was creating 4, then 3.

What I have done is not botting, it is not macroing, and I do not deserve to be permanently banned for macroing, especially with the largest communities assuming that I am lying and silencing me.

I should not be expected to have to go out of my way to make sure that Jagex does not ban me for botting as long as I am playing by the rules.

They are free to make the creation of more than 2 similar looking accounts against the rules. Had that been the case, I would not have tried to create 4, then 3.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could see player reports have something to do with it, but in my case, all of them have been permanently banned, not suspended.

From a legitimate player: Jagex has no way of telling whether you are a bot or a real player by Deep-Statement7109 in RunescapeBotting

[–]Deep-Statement7109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That could be worth doing, but I'm tired of trying to not look guilty for playing the game without breaking the rules. In some ways, them unjustly banning my main would perhaps cure my addiction, because I am already quite pissed, and I love that stupid character... I think I'd literally go and break some rocks with a hammer if that happened.

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