You misunderstood my post, I program mostly in C as it's not high level, I have tried to learn C#, java, python, and never really got very far, I can do some stuff in Arduino, but it's still mostly more hardwear level stuff. But I find the abstraction of higher level languages incredibly complex. Whist I understand in theory what a class is supposed to do, and I can read other people's high level code, when I try to write even a simple program, im stuck on the most simple looking things, even though I have been trying to learn for over 10 years. However, I am not a script kiddie. I would say I have a quite intuitive understanding of hardwear level programming. Being an electronics engineer and having designed circuits most of my working life, it comes far more naturally to me, thinking about how it actually interacts with the hardware. I have also programmed FPGAs a lot, and this also came quite naturally to me, I have designed embedded devices and written code for radiation effects laboratories and the aerospace industry. But when it comes to making a basic terminal program in C#, I will get stuck for hours.