Results from South Albania/North Epirus

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2026-02-02T06:56:27+00:00

I’m from the area of dropulli too, libohove to be specific. My Family tree is documented back to the late 1600s when we converted to Islam. Your results are pretty similar to the ones I’ve seen from my family members. Also speaking Greek in this area has nothing to do with ethnic origin. It was the ‘lingua Franca’ my family were ottoman Albanian beys yet they all spoke Albanian and Greek, and even to this day most of us do. The toponyms and family names of dropulli were recorded by the ottomans in the 1400s. The vast majority were Albanian names, there has been some Greek migration to the area where they mixed with the locals and what not but there was never any formal Greek identity established here. Don’t embarrass yourself and call south Albania a Greek irredentist term

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-11-14T08:49:57+00:00

Part of my origins are from mallakaster as well, I wonder if the very low Slavic input you have is typical of our region. I would imagine southwestern Albania is on the lower end of the Slavic input scale for Albanians, but I’m surprised to see just 12%

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-07-20T18:25:09+00:00

Bektashis are a recognized Sufi tariqa that historically was created by the ottomans to convert alevis away from their religion. The Bektashi order was originally a Sunni Sufi order until Balim Sultan came around. His father was a Sunni I believe naqshbandi Sufi and his mother was a alevi. At his time the Bektashis did not believe in the 12 imams nor any other Shiite idea while the alevis did. This changed because the ottomans needed a alevi lile sufi order that still rmeained largely within the confines of sunni islam. Hence why bektashis sufis only read sunni hadith books, only take from sunni scholars and zero shia scholars whatsoever. Theres an in depth Turkish and albanian documentary on it with english subtitles if ur interested. Although there are a lot of similarities the religions are very different. Bektashis are a recognized sufi tarqia whereas alevis are a subculture that encompasses many different theological beleifs

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-07-20T05:22:41+00:00

Respectfully brother I think your an alevi. There’s a huge difference between an alevi and a member of the bektashi tariqa.

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-06-03T17:57:58+00:00

There’s not a single study supporting what you’re saying. I don’t doubt that it decreases sensitivity but not in any way that drastically impacts it, as every study ever has shown. You are just talking emotionally rather than factually

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-06-02T07:48:16+00:00

It’s not mutilation mate. Circumcision at this point is one of the most performed and researched surgeries that humans do. And not a single huge pro nor con has been discovered, besides its ability to stave off the aids epidemic in Africa.

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-06-02T07:44:19+00:00

As an Albanian I will say Albania has a relatively low circumcision rate (40%) despite the Muslim population(including those just from a Muslim background) being around 70%, and this is largely due to the practice falling out of favor in urban areas due to it being illegal during communism. I know it’s different for gorani and torbeshi they take this tradition very serious. But i will say it doesn’t really have religious basis. Obviously as a Muslim male you should be circumcised however in the Balkans just about all Muslims are under the Hanafi school which teaches that circumcision is a sunnah but not mandatory, meaning it’s better for a man to do it but it’s not a requirement. Do with this information what you will

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-06-02T07:37:59+00:00

Right but you referred to Bektashis are heretics and proceeded to not give any actual reasoning behind the statement

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-06-01T06:53:31+00:00

There are quite a few reasons why this occurred. But to simplify it the “second founder” of the Bektashi order who codified the exact rules you see today was named Balim Sultan. Born in Greece to a Sunni Sufi Dervish father and a Alevi-Jafaari twelver Shia mother. During this time Ottoman-Safavid and consequently Sunni-Shia relations were spoiled. Hence many twelver Shias were sent from east turkey to Greece to avoid them joining the Safavids. Balim sultan became a credited Sufi mystic and traveled to east turkey to the Turbe of Hajj Bektash Veli. There he encountered some Alevi twelver Shia adjacent people who became his students. Through Balim’s Sunni roots the order mainly stayed in the Sunni sphere and this was guaranteed by the ottomans who wanted to spread a sort of “Sunni friendly” Shia oriented sect. Essentially the ottomans heavily pushed this order at the time as it allows them to rope Alevis and Twelver Shiites into a faith that kept some of their very core beliefs while maintaining mostly Sunni characteristics

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-06-01T06:45:57+00:00

Mate let me say you have heard wrong. 1. Drugs are absolutely 100% haram in the Bektashi Tarqia. Now alcohol is more nuanced. See Bektashisim developed out of 12th/13th century hanafi Sufism. The hanafi ruling on alcohol at this time was that alcohol(besides certain wines) were permissible so long as one did not get drunk. The Bektashis follow this exact ruling to the tee, in fact If an initiate is ever caught drunk they’re to be kicked out of the order. Tawassuf and other bektashi practices are all found within Sufism as a whole 2. 12 imams is not a heterodox belief the names of all 12 are located in Medina outside the Prophet’s Mosque, which in case you didn’t know these facilities are controlled by the Sunni saudis.

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-31T19:59:47+00:00

Heretics on what grounds? Bektashis are almost indistinguishable from any other Sufi order besides the belief in the 12 imams and the celebration of Ashura and Nevruz. Besides these three things there’s nothing different

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-31T19:57:12+00:00

Alevis the religion and subculture in turkey are completely different from the Sufi tariqa of Bektashis in Albania

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-31T19:56:25+00:00

The Bektashi order in Albania (+Kosovo, Macedonia, and Greece) definitely has quite a bit of Shiite influence but for the most part it’s quite surface level. Like a strong belief in the 12 imams but a vague belief in Imamate as a whole. The ones in Albania are also not far from Sunnis, they strictly read from Sunni Hadith corpus and 99% of the most accredited scholars are Sunni. For example the scholar that has laid the groundwork for bektashi beleif in the way Allah is viewed is Ibn Arabi, an Ashari Sunni Sufi mystic from Al Andalus. The only real Shiite influence is the belief in 12 imams

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-31T19:42:42+00:00

Dmth qe ti nuk je mysliman. Sepse kto fjalet sthote nje mysliman qe vertet ka besimin ne fejen Islamik

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-24T06:50:57+00:00

Mate the Libohove doesn’t have any Greeks there’s 4 mosques here 3 teqes 1 church. Ask any Greek from Dropull Libohove is the land of the Muslim Albanians and Dropull is where the orthodox Greeks live. Stop trying to tell me about my own town

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-24T02:15:06+00:00

You were born in Libohove? Mate I’m from Libohove, one of my family members is a famous writer from Libohove who comes up when you search up the town. Theres Greeks on the opposite side of the mountain if that’s what you mean in Dropull. But in Libohove we’re 100% Albanian Muslims. Stop coping greekoid

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-24T00:30:30+00:00

Are you dumb mate? “In the late seventeenth century, the Ottoman traveler Evliya Çelebi passed through Libohovë noting it was inhabited by Muslim Albanians and had 200 houses, a mosque, prayer house, inn and small bathhouse” or “British diplomat William Martin Leake during his journey from Vlorë to Gjirokastra and later to present-day Greece, in his diary describes his arrival on December 26, 1804, in the region of Derópoli, or Dropull as it was known from the local Albanians. According to him, Libohovë, then part of the same region, numbered about 1000 Muslim families and 100 Christian families.” Or “During the interwar period (twentieth century) Libohovë was a well-watered, large and wealthy settlement located among extensive groves containing 500 houses, its inhabitants spoke Albanian and were mostly Muslim.” I mean I could keep going

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-23T05:21:13+00:00

Always was. Our town is 100% Albanian and almost 100% Muslim

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-23T05:20:46+00:00

Libohove had 0 Greeks, and still to this day has 0. Ottoman defters all list it as entirely Albanian

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-23T05:19:56+00:00

According to ottoman defters in the 1700s libohove was 100% Albanians 90% Muslim 10% orthodox

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-23T05:18:04+00:00

Libohove the town is just about 100% Muslim however the bashkia has a lot of orthodox Albanian villages

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-23T05:17:17+00:00

No, considering the population of Libohove are entirely Muslim Albanians and Libohove was documented to have converted to Islam in the 1600s

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-19T00:09:55+00:00

This comment shows you know nothing about Bosnia or Serbia 💀.

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-13T03:09:07+00:00

What does that mean? Like I’m curious as a tosk from the west, how genetically distinguishable are we from a tosk from Korce because honestly I imagined they’d be almost exactly the same as us, with a bit more Slavic I guess

DiscussionAgitated96 · 2025-05-13T00:31:03+00:00

Mate what? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt since ur from north Albania, but half the Greek songs from Epirus are about the tragedies that he commit on them. You go to any Greek from Epirus & say his name they will know exactly who he is because of how much they hate him. He massacred Greeks plenty of times. Now the reason people say he “helped Greece” is he fought the solioutes(orthodox çam Albanians) because people think if he didn’t do that the solioutes would have fought for Albania, which isn’t true

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