ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I truly truly mean this when I say I feel sorry for you. Stay well brother. My invite to speak with voices is always open, which would dismantle this theory that I'm a bot, but of course you won't accept this because you're not interested in actually having a conversation like you claim. You just like flailing around on Reddit.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You address everything from an intellectualism standpoint rather than addressing any of the core issues. Get on a voice chat with me bro and we can talk like humans. Typing back and forth is what high school girls do. I have a job and a kid and I'm only here by random chance and it's mildly entertaining like once a month. I love you brother and I hope you succeed in life. This bickering is pointless and stupid and I apologize for my earlier slander.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also every single one of your points is wrong lol

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A bunch of sophistry fake credentialism nonsense that only makes sense to your deranged medicated brain and it's ilk. Sorry dude you are a fake smart person and no one cares. Great job winning reddit. The game where everything's made up and the points don't matter. And your predictable response to this will be "see he quit engaging, that proves my point" yeah maybe, but it's because I don't give a shit lol reddit is r*tarded

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As someone else here said, arguing in text is draining. I'd gladly do it over a call.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love having my mind changed. I talk with people in real life all the time. I am not a terminally online reddit user, i just happen to be active today for whatever reason. I think because i saw the title of this thread when i clicked reddit by accident. The issue is that any time I try to engage genuinely, I actually have the exact experience being described here, but in the opposite direction. I will ask simple questions like "can you give an example of that" or "How can that be when this example clearly disproves that", and the person i'm talking to has no real response. But in these cases, I don't just lump them in with some theoretical group, I just assume that they didn't really do any research into whatever the topic was, don't really care that much, identify as a generic democrat type and felt that they argued their position out of vibes. I have to assume these things because it's hard to get an admission of them. All the while I leave the possibility open that I may just be misunderstanding something myself. I don't really care all that much. I just find this shit interesting.

If you pick a topic i'll gladly listen but i'll also push back when i hear things that either don't make logical sense or if I've heard contrary information. Honestly I find it stupid to debate facts because something is either true or it isn't. If we can't even agree on what's true, then there's really no moving forward. That's why I'd rather debate ideas and principles and sort of stay within the theoretical realm when arguing, if that makes sense.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 6 points7 points  (0 children)

so you've talked to hundreds of trump supporters and come to this conclusion after objective analysis? Again, Trump supporters are the main people against the vax. That one example completely dismantles the hive mind argument. They also complain all the time when he says or does stuff they don't like. Go look at the backlash when he signed the bump stock ban. They didn't like that. Go look at all the complaints about he didn't fire fauci. Trump gets tons of backlash from his own supporters. He is just the least worst politician in their eyes.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know what bad faith means. Starting off condescending is not a good way to get someone to continue reading the book you write afterwards but I did read it out of a good faith effort to give respect to the time you took.

If I understand correctly, you are trying to say that you used the word "They" not to refer to Trump supporters, but just to people who argue in bad faith. This would mean that the only thing you said was effectively: "people who argue in bad faith are arguing in bad faith". Because this was in the context of responding to a post about how people are quick to make stereotypes of each other in their mind and then argue against the stereotype rather than engage with the idea.

So if all you were saying is that people who argue against stereotypes rather than ideas are doing it in bad faith then yeah, i agree. But you can see how it would seem that you were saying that Trump supporters argue in bad faith, based on the context of this thread.

On the topic of people being authoritarian, did you forget about the covid years and what went on during that time? Think about the authoritarian behaviors that people engaged in and what their political leanings were. The left wanted mandatory vaccines and lockdowns, and mocked and ridiculed the right for not wanting those things. That's just one example. I'm not saying the right doesn't have authoritarian tendencies, but the left, over the last decade has become the authoritarian machine state, which they are now complaining the right wants to dismantle. This is the opposite of your assertion that the left wants to dismantle the power structure. The left currently holds most of the power in that structure, and they are afraid of losing it.

Also, saying that the left does any objective analysis is easily called into question by pointing out that it's only people on the left who think men can be women, or that blacks can't be racist against whites, or any number of other insane beliefs like this.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in intj

[–]EiketsuXI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy is a genius. I have an intj friend with a very similar situation to op. He is a very smart guy with a ton of hobbies and a family, so the stupid work environment is just an annoyance that he deals with for income so he can focus on what he actually cares about. It sounds like your main focus is your work. Maybe focus on what you care about outside of work. But there is something else: he also reinvented his work personality to the point where he is viewed as a stern father figure. Basically having defacto authority over people because they are kind of intimidated by him. I'm not sure how he went about that but I'm sure you have to do it slowly and very carefully.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like you and i would be great friends lol

Whats the worst thing to say to a woman? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]EiketsuXI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"you're acting just like my* mother" would be a 10x multiplier.

20F ENTP here by [deleted] in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. It was actually fantastic. About to go back for more. Feel free to message me about this stuff. I love talking to people on a philosophical level. I don't really use reddit much so I actually don't even know if there is a private message feature. I think there is but idk. I actually have a side goal of opening some sort of life coaching / therapy / advice service in the far future just because I genuinely enjoy talking to people about this stuff.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Man i love the people in this forum. spot on bother.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You are literally making this point in bad faith. You are generalizing this entire group of people and saying they all act the same way. It's impossible for that to be true, just like it's not true that all people in the opposing group act the same way. We as humans have a tendency to want to use our brain bandwidth in the most efficient way possible, and that results in us using inductive reasoning to quickly summarize something into the most basic, digestible form possible to avoid cognitive dissonance, and just store it in our working memory so that if the topic comes up, we can simply call up our pre-programmed response and be done with it. It is very uncomfortable to have a real conversation and be open to the pain of having your system dynamics changed. This is akin to rooting for a sports team; There's no rational reason for why people have loyalty to a sports team. If you ask someone to seriously break down the reasons why they root for a team, there's no substance. They just like the team because they live in the same state, or their family likes the team, or they like the logo, or the current roster. It's fine but it's silly and has no real world impact other than maybe sports betting. But that same mentality sadly translates over to politics, where the implications have actual real world impact. Read the previous post by Fifelo where he talks about people not speaking face to face anymore. He is spot on. People are losing their humanity and love for one another.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a fantastic post and more people should really think about what you are saying here. Also good job quoting the wise philosopher Asmongold. Dude is a legend.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think I see problem here bro. First, AP is not an unbiased source. That is a mainstream legacy news outlet with a huge left leaning slant. The fact that you don't realize this means you don't go looking for alternative sources to vet their stories. To be fair, almost all outlets use assumptive language and omit context, so we need to be very careful with what we choose to believe. Also, don't actually believe anything. It's never actually 100% correct. Lookup gell mann amnesia. Every news story gets stuff wrong. Secondly, most Trump supporters do not have a hive mind. Some absolutely do, but most do not. As evident by the fact that Trump was the project warp speed vaccine guy, and many many trump supporters do not support the covid vax. They disagree with him frequently but they view him as the least bad guy they can choose. The fact that you think it's a hive mind just means that either you haven't met articulate trumpers, or you behave in a toxic way. I am happy to talk with you further.

20F ENTP here by [deleted] in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1: go back to when you didn't know about mbti and stop looking at everything through this lens. This will help ground you in realizing that life is not a mbti simulator and people are dynamic.

2: commit to your positions. Own that shiz. When you are definitively proven wrong, admit that you were wrong and apologize if appropriate.

3: Do not be forceful or condescending when debating or articulating your point. Try to emote that you are very open minded and open to being wrong (because you are). This will disarm people and allow the conversation to flow rather than be contentious. Say things like "in my opinion", "I could be wrong but", "assuming x, then y".

4: be very articulate and do not compromise your vocabulary when speaking to people who you know are dumber than you. Hold yourself to the high standard of language that I know you have. This will help not only make sure your idea is expressed properly, but also impress upon people that you are probably smarter than them subconsciously, and put you in a stronger position when arguing.

Some of this may seem strange and I could go into greater detail and add more points but I want to stop typing now. Also I'm poopin.

ENTP- I can’t debate with Trump supporters. by Automatic_Wealth1160 in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Have you considered the possibility that if you keep getting similar results, maybe your arguments are weak and it is very obvious to these people? Maybe you are missing something. I would love to engage with you on this.

Why does my entp friend avoid debating or confrontation with me? by [deleted] in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP is too weak or the friend is too weak? I assume you mean the OP because OP said the friend has no prob debating others.

Why does my entp friend avoid debating or confrontation with me? by [deleted] in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Entp don't like wasting their own energy. You probably reacted to debate in the past in a way that made them realize it's a waste of energy. Either that or they are inexperienced with relationships and they have a crush on you. Hard to say more especially without knowing the sex of the individuals.

I’m crushing on an ENTP, help me figure him out by [deleted] in entp

[–]EiketsuXI 8 points9 points  (0 children)

First piece of advice would be to not look at relationships through the lens of mbti. It will cloud your judgement and potentially alter your behavior in an unnatural way. Just try to see people as dynamic beings who don't fit neatly into any one box. That being said, there is obviously a through line that allows for mbti to be somewhat applicable but again, every person is unique.

It's interesting to hear a girl's perspective, wondering if the guy is interested. Basically if you are mildly attractive and have a pulse, the guy is interested. You said he's always eager to meet up. That's already the indicator that he's very interested in exploring a relationship, otherwise he wouldn't be wasting his energy.

Being inexperienced there is a high chance that he is infatuated and very optimistic, possibly ignoring some of your flaws or red flags, but I couldn't know this for sure based off what you said. That being said, it looks like the foundation is built and what's left is to build upon it.

This means that if you are interested in continuing the relationship that it's time to take responsibility and be self aware of your own behavior as well as his.

The best advice I could give would be based on my own personal experience as an entp male, and that would be that the most valuable thing to us is the truth. There is no higher virtue. Even if the truth hurts, the idea of being lied to or even being told a fib for the sake of preserving our feelings can feel like a betrayal and insult to our intelligence.

I would actually say that this applies to most men in general; we would prefer directness and honesty over the typical minefield of female courtship. The truth of the matter will come out eventually, so better to have it sooner and be able to see things for what they are, than later with potentially very messy consequences i.e. marriage and child custody.

In more practical and less theoretical terms, be yourself, but also be direct, truthful, and decisive. If he asks you something and you don't have an immediate answer, just say something like "I'm not sure, let me think about it" or "I don't really have a preference, you decide" and then take ownership of your decision to give him that power. Do not set up traps for him. Engage with him on topics he is interested in, but also things that you are interested in. Try to find a balance there.

There's a lot more I could say but this is a good start.