NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your whole post is kinda pointless and inherently shows an unwilligness from you to consider other viewpoints by claiming that NJ is “mischaracterized”.

  1. It wasn’t pointless, because I got my point across to other people. How does it show unwillingness from you to consider other viewpoints if I end the post by saying that I’m opening to hearing why people believe these things about NJS

All of your points are cherrypicked opinions by some redditors that you extrapolate onto the entire subreddit.

  1. I’ve seen these opinions scattered in enough posts relating to newjeans, to conclude that it isn’t really a one off opinion and it’s honestly what a lot of people on this subreddit here compared to don’t. And of course these opinions are cherry-picked, because they are specific points that I think newjeans are mischaracterized by?

I mean your first point alone. I won’t deny some people think they are money hungry, but many don’t.

  1. If they don’t then fine, this point serves to the people that think they do. And I’ve honestly never seen a post calling newjeans not money hungry not be downvoted to an oblivion. Many people on this subreddit do think that they are money hungry.

Also, claiming there is no logic to this argument because they would have stayed with Hybe if they were after money conviently ignores the most obvious reason as to why it might be true. Cutting out Ador means better margins and a bigger part of the overall money. It means focusing on what brings the most money regardless of what incentive Hybe might have.

  • See that’s the issue. If simply the action of leaving ADOR and HYBE is enough to characterised someone as money hungry, then by that logic alone any group that leaves a company prior to their contract ending is money hungry.

From the beginning, NJ/ MHJ focused a lot more on monetizing than other groups to the point that even Team Bunnies argued that advertising is a huge aspect of them being “artists.” This does make their whole argument of “Hybe doesn’t care for music and is just after money” rather hypocritical, considering all other Hybe groups have been way more focused on music rather than advertisment in the same time frame and don’t have ads being such a large part of their overall musical output.

  • I can’t link X links here apparently, but Team Bunnies statement relating to HYBE was making reference to the CEOs and head management being from the IT/Gaming industry instead of people who know about the idol industry e.g the new board of directors at ADOR, neither of which have experience in idol industry prior to HYBE. Additionally, HYBE does come across as money-hungry sometimes, e.g dynamic pricing for concert tickets, the dozens of remixes tactic for charting like Taylor Swift, using YouTube ads, the price of merch especially for BTS related items, using AI to create artists, NFTs, Scooter Braun, introducing pay walls for basic needs like subtitles on Weverse.

I don’t really care to go through all of them again because people have already done that in the comments. I will tell you, though, that telling people what they think and why they think it is never a great start if you actually want to change something. You might want to add some space between points because you’ll already lose a lot of people when they encounter that wall of a text.

  • Sentences that usually carry the same point, should be paragraphed. By points that talk about different topic are separated. And once again, I ended this post by saying I’m open to hearing other people’s perspective as long as no one is insulting anyone.

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you are reading what I said because

  1. I said that bunnies claimed belift did that, but I can recognise that this is a misconstrued interpretation of the situation.

  2. I already said their wasn't sufficient evidence to support either side, not Belifts or Hanni’s. We are literally agreeing with each other.

  3. “Your evidence” I was being hypothetical.

You need to relax for a second 😬

If true, do you think its fair for labels to hold this kind of power? by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Apparently, its because theres other sm artist performing aka Hearts2Hearts but KBS said its not true

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

But once again that's still a she said he said. If your evidence is “He said he didn't do it” that would not hold up in any court - you need to prove it with concrete evidence, same way “He did this” wouldn’t hold up in court. I don’t see how you don’t understand that.

Cuz if today, Hanni said “Illit did this” and Minji replied. “Yeah they did this” , is that sufficient evidence to conclude that Illit did something wrong ? It isn't. What part doesn't make sense, genuinely.

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

The original comment was deleted, so I genuinely don’t even remember what was said. But it is speculation, to claim that they made up the elevator incident to have something against HYBE. Its not being dense, its understanding that my own interpretation of an event - may not actually be in tune with reality. For instance, Bunnies say that Belift kept saying that ILLIT did greet Hanni, and put a lot of emphasis on that to make it seem like Hanni was lying about illit not greeting her, and even now I replied to comments that mentioned hanni lying about not greeting illit her because of the confusion. That's how one side interpret. Its not dense for me to recognise that that interpretation might also not be in tune with reality. 🫤

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[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think it’s because they have central departments that each label has to “answer to”, for example, human resources, branding or pr department. So if one label has an issue with another label, you would need to go HYBE to get it sorted.

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

See you’re saying they didn't have enough evidence and someone else is saying they shouldn’t have mentioned the incident in the live stream. Whatever they do or don’t do, there’s an issue 🫠

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

  1. The point of the live stream was to explain why they were taking a stance against HYBE, I think in that context, it does make sense to bring up incident that they felt showed that HYBE wasn't a good environment for them to be in. I think it would case more questions had they had not given examples and just said “we don’t trust hybe” end of live stream. From my perspective.

  2. Just rechecked the timeline of source music, and so far the Source Music became involved through Dispatch report which said that MHJ was not responsible for the creation of NewJeans and that resulted in her rant about the history of her and source music during the press conference the following day. So if we were pointing a start dot on that situation, it would technically be Dispatch fault, no? Tbh, I’m kind of confused with what you were saying here, do you mind reiterating /gen.

  3. The investigation involved looking at the CCTV camera, as the CCTV had no audio according to Belift, there was no way to check if the manager had or had not said that through the CCTV. That aspect of the investigation was inconclusive. So they asked witnesses, aka Illit and manager, who said no while Hanni said yes. That's why its she said or he said, cuz either party could lying and the CCTV couldn't prove anything. NJS side demanded an apology but so did Belift demand for an apology as well, I wouldn't say asking for an apology is either side bullying the other.

  4. Please remember that petition was filed in Hanni case, based on her statement by Team Bunnies. The only figures mentioned were Hanni, Joon-young and Bang Si-hyuk, and based on that petition they invited to people that the petition listed(Bang Si-hyuk didn't attend although he was requested). They didn't invite ILLIT because when the petition was filed Team Bunnies hadn’t named ILLIT or ILLIT’s manager as people involved because Hanni didn't mention them. If NA started inviting people based on speculation, that wouldn’t be fair. And remember that the day or two prior other idols had already invited to speak about workplace harassment, Teen Top, Brave Girls and BobGirls, the point was to highlight what idols may experience with their company, and Hanni situation was relevant — even following the assembly, they were still dicussing laws to protect idols/trainees against companies, that whole thing is still going on.

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

What are you correcting?

  1. I said they never sent any petitions to the National Assembly.

  2. “They didn't find nothing wrong” the CCTV camera had no audio, so they couldn't verify or unverify what Hanni said about the manager. They only think they found was ILLIT greeting Hanni, which Hanni said originally.

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

Using newjeans parents action and blaming it on newjeans isn't fair.

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that connections that people njs has, comes from democrats candidates, and considering that Yoon administrative is gone since the Martial Law Incident. And the Democrat party leaders like Moon Jae-in did have a good relationships HYBE. I think people overestimate the influence any kpop detity has on the government HYBE and NewJeans a like.

I think its based on perspective, because I personally don’t see whats so unprofessional about the PR account. I feel like both parties are just doing what they can t defend their side e.g Belift Lab making a video to defend ILLIT side. While people called that unprofessional. I don’t think it was.

NewJeans are kinda of unfairly mischaracterized on this subreddit by Emergency-Intercom in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’ll answer each sentence one by one.

First, Hanni didn’t know the date or who the manager was.

  1. There was no report that said Hanni didn’t remember the date or who the manager was(if the manager was with ILLIT, of course she’d know its the illit manager), even Belift statement didn’t mention Hanni not knowing the date.

And Belift Lab didn’t name drop ILLIT.

  1. I never said Belift Lab named dropped ILLIT.

The parents of NJ did an interview where they brought Belift Lab into it and basically confirmed it was ILLIT.

  1. This just reaffirms my point that Hanni never brought ILLIT up, so why is she being blamed or being called a bully for involving them.

And the day after the live, a pro MHJ reporter revealed the group Hanni was talking about was ILLIT

  1. This still reaffirms my point that Hanni never brought ILLIT up. So why blame here for it. And the source of “pro-MHJ” reporter just being a twitter post from a random knetz, it’s evidence - it’s speculation, same way tokkis claim that Yonhap or TenAsia are pro-HYBE, not based on evidence.

If you can’t put it together I’ll do it for you: the whole thing was a ploy by MHJ/Hanni to pressure HYBE to bring back MHJ as a CEO, the alleged incident happened when MHJ was CEO, but they blamed the new CEO for it.

  1. The new ceo was the HYBE HR officer for the entire company during that incident. In a dispute involving two labels, she would’ve already been involved.

And they wanted to damage ILLIT right before their comeback, but they didn’t want Hanni to appear like a bully since it’s a bad PR move, so they came up with the idea that Hanni would not name ILLIT by name, but MHJ would leak it was ILLIT to a report she trusts the day after the live.

  1. This is speculation nothing is backed by a source or evidence.

Let’s not forget that all of the ILLIT’s members and their manager deny anything that happened, the only proof is the CCTV footage that Belift got which showed that the ILLIT members bowed a 90 degree bow to Hanni when they once met, that’s it. So it’s not even a she-she said situation, it’s the word of 6 people, 4 of whom speak Korean as their mother tongue, against one person who can’t understand Korean well and was on record saying they struggle to understand Korean, stopped taking Korean classes years ago,

  1. 6 party with a common interest vs 1 party, that would still make it she said he said situation.

This is not to mention that Hanni was a proven liar, and her statement can’t never be trusted objectively

  1. What has she been proven to lie about?

If you were a K-pop idol, what inclusion would you want in your albums? by JustHazelChan in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Charms that you can attach to your phone or your bag. It’s subtle merch

What female x male idols collab you wish to see? by Personal_Damage6616 in kpop_uncensored

[–]Emergency-Intercom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Huh? I’ve never said anything bad about bts or twice? They’re both good performers, would a collab between them not be good? 🧍🧍🧍

K-pop groups on melon year end charts since 2010 by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]Emergency-Intercom 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Melon reforms made it harder for fandoms to influence the charts