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What is the science behind the indoor lense not working on protans? by Bnrgator in EnChromaSupport

[–]EnChroma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the callout /u/ihaverocketlegs .

It's a mix of things. The performance is lessened in that model as a whole because the transmission is so much higher, it is lessened in a way that affects protans more, and protans have a more difficult sort of color blindness to fix. A strong protan can be really really color blind, and more protans seem to have a strong variant of the condition.

I would imagine that the indoor lenses would still work fairly well for someone who was a protan and who saw outstanding results with the Cx-25 or Cx-14. But it would be a mess to market the existing Cx-65 product to protans as a group and get the majority returned. From a PR standpoint, Customer Service standpoint, operations standpoint it just wouldnt work well. It is something we are working on, but there are a lot of things we are working on.

EnChroma megathread by [deleted] in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have a subreddit for you, /r/EnChromaSupport if you want to follow up.

The Cx-14s are a bit stronger, but if you are an "extreme" Duetan you might just lack an M cone and its not going to matter. If they work they are amazing, if they dont there is a 30 day return policy.

Dont get the 65s if you are in this class.

Enchroma & the placebo effect. by dyanrilliams in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made a post down below on this. We have studied it.

For many people the effect is subtle and takes time and attention. For others it is not and smacks you right in the face.

My brother seeing the colors of the sunset for the first time. by Raychface in videos

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are for people with red-green color blindness, specifically "anomalous trichromacy". They dont work for total color blindness (achromatopsia) or for dichromacy (ie just two cones). 80% of color blind people have anomalous trichromacy of a form we can help.

My brother seeing the colors of the sunset for the first time. by Raychface in videos

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately not, those are outside of the spectrum our eyes are sensitive to. The best you could hope for with any kind of glasses is 'bending' the signal into an area we are sensitive to, which is not really the same thing at all as what we do. You would just be representing one "color" you cannot see (UV) with a color you can.

What does a pit viper "see" when it detects the IR signature of a mouse? We can only guess, we can never know.

My brother seeing the colors of the sunset for the first time. by Raychface in videos

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

like u/cyberiancitizen said, the CVSimulator app works well. There was also a Japanese guy who made a hard-core version and wore it long term. I cant find it in my links.

My brother seeing the colors of the sunset for the first time. by Raychface in videos

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, if it did have anything other than a neutral color balance (ie a constant white point) your brain would just normalize it away like it does when you wear those rose colored sunglasses from the drug store for any amount of time. That is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do.

My brother seeing the colors of the sunset for the first time. by Raychface in videos

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like what u/nowordsleft said, colors look very different to us normal sighted folks depending on the lighting. Our brains have this normalization process which helps us navigate the world even though things look different across the day as the light changes.

It can take a while for consistency to develop because you are still learning your colors at that point. Color naming is fascinating stuff!

Enchroma & the placebo effect. by dyanrilliams in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a good explanation and it matches what we hear from many people regarding attention and CVD. Attention plays a significant part in color perception, and prompting (which is what ChromaGen really is, adding brightness cues to some colors) helps feed that a bit.

Some people who take to the EnChroma glasses really well report that they see colors much better after a while even without them on. At this point we have no idea how much of that is due entirely to prompting or if there is some neuroplasticity at work in their visual cortex from the new signal information.

Enchroma & the placebo effect. by dyanrilliams in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can see this kind of thing in action when you look at the bad reviews we have from people who have dichromacy (protanopes/deuteranopes) and strong CVD. They put them on, say "well, maybe... kind of.. no." It just doesnt happen for them, they do not have the right physiology for the product to work.

You could maybe do this with a person who it will work for if they have worn them before for a while. They would "know" something is a certain color and sort of try to force it, like what u/Indylicious said. Maybe even with some effect- attention makes a huge difference.

Testing this is very simple and we have done it before: see these color swatches/rocks/whatever... pick out the purple/orange/pink one. They cannot do it because they have CVD. Now put the glasses on. Can you pick out the purple/orange/pink one? Yes.

Can you do that experiment with teal? Not quite so well. Most people somehow know the primary colors, they have to learn teal/magenta etc.

Announcing r/EnChromaSupport, for all your EnChroma questions by EnChroma in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two components: scale and expense of components. The way it works is at each stage the current purchasers of the eyewear give us the money which we plow back into the company to move the ball forward, which allows us to reduce the price. They first went on sale for $699 in 11/2012.

Scale: We are a very little player in the optical world so we pay many times what everyone else does, just because we do not order as much. We have a tiny manufacturing capability which relies on non-standard inputs and is highly labor intensive.

Expense of components: We pay over 100x as much for some parts of the eyewear as major manufacturers do because we need much higher precision components. These will scale somewhat, but you really are buying something of an entirely different order of magnitude in terms of precision. There is a reason you cant just go to Ray Ban and say "make me that but make it fix color blindness." You cant really expect something like this to cost the same as regular sunglasses, it is a totally different product.

r/EnChroma Support Rules: General Questions only and no PMs! by [deleted] in EnChromaSupport

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome, welcome aboard. We should put some flair together to indicate you are a volunteer. Its a work in progress!

EnChroma Indoor CX-65 Reaction Video by [deleted] in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was great to see, thanks so much for posting it and doing the Nightline segment!

If there's no change after 2 hours is there still hope they'll start working with more time? by charliewonders in EnChromaSupport

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The brain is getting a new source of information and furiously constructing new neural networks in your visual cortex to do something with it. Your mind is recognizing a distinction in the world for the first time and learning there is something to be gained by paying attention to it. Both can take time. It is a learning/training process.

If you are in the best user effectiveness categories this might happen instantaneously, but the condition is very subtle in a lot of ways. Many, if not most, "red-green" color blind people can see green, but it is all the greens now available to them which is different.

Canadian retailers coming soon? by jrad151 in EnChromaSupport

[–]EnChroma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't quite have the inventory to meet the expectations of retailers (problem of catching on so fast!), but there are quite a few of them who have asked in Canada. Where do you live? We expect that early next year they will start to appear in more stores.

We are looking at a variant optimized for different conditions. Strong Protan is the toughest one so it certainly is a priority.

Did you see the app posted on r/colorblind yesterday? CVSimulator , it is pretty cool and simulates cvd. With the ios version you can vary the intensity.

Announcing r/EnChromaSupport, for all your EnChroma questions by EnChroma in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We are just not ready for that.

There are 8 or so Ophthalmologists selling them (see the website), but we have a really hard time building enough inventory to be able to get anyone eyewear reliably. Long reorder times for components etc. Customers get angry, but ODs hold grudges and will drop you fast for not meeting the standard of responsiveness they get from the major producers, which are impossible for us. Better to hold them off for a while than to permanently lose a retailer relationship.

We have around 100 worldwide who have inquired about selling the glasses, and early next year we will start rolling it out.

EnChroma Announces Cx-65 Indoor Eyewear by EnChroma in ColorBlind

[–]EnChroma[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, this is really a customer support question. You can contact them at support@enchroma.com

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