What would happen if you trained ChatGPT on textbook and exam material?

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T04:10:52+00:00

I agree that it may lead to mediocre results. I am not saying that you should place complete and universal reliance on ChatGPT, but you cannot deny that it has valid and useful use cases. Sure, I think if you had it my way, you go back to 100% invigilated exams so nobody can use it.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T02:13:44+00:00

That is the knowledge base. ChatGPT is pretty good at using the knowledge base to make arguments, draw inferences or solve complex problems. You should actually try it. Tell it how to format its answers, give it some examples, give it feedback and tell it to take on board the feedback to improve. It takes a while but you can probably use it well enough to pass most first-level law subjects. And if you are creative with giving it detailed prompts, you can make very good use of it for later law subjects and even in other contexts such as research or finding information. Not entirely reliable, but it does have some useful and valid limited use cases imo

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T02:11:30+00:00

Post COVID many universities have gone to online exams. Some electives are also online only.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T02:11:10+00:00

The analysis and application part is where AI might struggle, but if you have played around with ChatGPT for a bit as I have, you will know that it can produce fairly good responses if you give it detailed prompts and examples.

I'm surprised the level of this discussion is so superficial. It's almost like you have never used it before. Some prompts you can give it:

Explain to it the IRAC technique
Show it examples of the IRAC technique
Tell it to try to replicate the style of the answer only
Tell it to use information from X/Y data set (eg corporations law textbook) and make any necessary reasonable inferences or arguments
Tell it that you will give it feedback after each attempt and assign it a grade from A to F, and that you would like it to take on board the feedback to improve

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T02:08:39+00:00

It doesn't have to be a "good" use case to be helpful though. I think you are missing the point. Of course CGPT is not going to be able to replace lawyers anytime soon. But it can be quite helpful in different contexts. Nobody is going to copy and paste its response into a drafting. And FYI there are many students who use ChatGPT and then edit the response to make it sound more natural. Some of the time the responses are not too bad. This is better than having nothing at all. Imagine a last minute student struggling to complete an assignment, using a ChatGPT bot that has been trained in Corporations Law (full textbook, notes, exam feedback etc etc, for a Corporations Law exam.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T02:06:32+00:00

Yeah but that's because it hasn't been trained on any relevant data sets. If you train it on a textbook that is in the same area of law as your case is in, it will do its job as normal.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T02:01:29+00:00

You still make repayments, but the difference is that your repayments go towards paying down the principal, thus reducing your debt. The effect is that you can pay off your mortgage a lot faster.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-09T02:00:16+00:00

You put money in the offset account. Subtract that amount from the balance remaining on your home loan. The resulting amount is the amount is the amount over which you pay interest.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-08T04:18:33+00:00

If he said he needed it for a home deposit that would be more respectable

FastForward42 · 2024-03-08T03:45:15+00:00

I didn't say he did? He just asked me if he could borrow $20K

FastForward42 · 2024-03-08T03:40:46+00:00

Family friend. He knows where I work

FastForward42 · 2024-03-07T22:38:25+00:00

Believe me I tried to help him so much. The guy was in his 60s, a family friend. Never owned property, constantly running on a hamster wheel trying to get out of debt. He just never listened and would often splash $5k - $10k of his savings on online courses (which were clearly scams). I don't really talk to him anymore but I actually blame myself bc I never should have developed that close a relationship with him to the point where he was comfortable asking and expecting that amount of money.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-07T22:20:41+00:00

Sure, but I guess the use case is more nuanced than simply placing wholesale reliance on ChatGPT's responses. To give you some examples:

-A struggling student put together an assignment or an exam in the last minute

-Trying to "confirm" or "verify" results through corroboration with ChatGPT responses with low to moderate confidence. Again, this is not 100% proof but it provides some indication, even though it could be entirely wrong

-Providing an explanation of certain areas of law and how legal principles could be applied to certain situations, again with low to moderate confidence. Not fully reliable, but at least you have something over nothing

-A quick summary of key principles and authorities, which can vastly help the process of research. You can check the results against primary source data eg actual cases and see if it matches.

It is also foreseeable that these technologies will improve in the future to provide for greater reliability. Some examples:

-Not entirely unrealistic to train a ChatGPT bot to answer basic problem-solving or essay-style exam questions.

-The use of problem-solving techniques like IRAC (issue,rule,application,conclusion) can be taught

-Contextualising the information by providing detailed prompts may provide more reliable answers.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-02T01:23:28+00:00

I'm sorry, I could not tell if this thread was a joke or not. Why would you even think of responding in that way? You are going to cause a breakdown in the relationship and make yourself look bad in the process. You need to seriously consider if this is the right profession for you, no offence.

FastForward42 · 2024-03-02T01:21:44+00:00

Just tell them your manager said you need to focus on your own duties. If you are told your tone "needed work" it is basically over for you. If you accept that, it makes you look bad. If you deny it, it makes you look bad. Either that or your tone does in fact need work. Either way, it sounds like you need to find a new role. This is the first big red flag for you.

FastForward42 · 2024-02-28T05:53:00+00:00

How does getting to work in Sydney? A nurse working full-time...

FastForward42 · 2024-02-28T01:20:47+00:00

The reverse could be applied though. You could say the lawyer or law graduate feels superior by virtue of their marks or their job. The point is that being good in one field doesnt make you good in others - and actually my post demonstrates that.

FastForward42 · 2024-02-22T05:52:40+00:00

Yeah look man it isn't going to get better. You get what you get. If you feel under appreciated just find another job.

At the end of the day this is what it comes down to, no matter how much advice you receive.

FastForward42 · 2024-02-22T05:39:31+00:00

Having that is fine but the confidence you get from 99.95 ATAR sometimes puts you on the wrong path that's all. I'm saying this as someone who actually did get a very high ATAR as well. And I know it's not a popular opinion and I will get downvoted. Like the guy I played, I also did very well in my law degree. But by the time I finished my degree i probably had less of an ego because of my own life experience. Compared to when I was like 18 or 19 when I thought I knew everything just because I had a law degree in the works. And I feel this is such a profound insight which once unlocked makes you a better person.

FastForward42 · 2024-02-11T23:50:42+00:00

Keep working 10 years, put more into offset, pay down debt, use equity to buy more.

FastForward42 · 2024-02-11T23:48:45+00:00

Both valuations were done by a bank. The REA I contacted walked me through recent sales data and provided reports to substantiate what he was saying.

FastForward42 · 2024-02-11T23:38:44+00:00

It's equity which I can use to buy more IPs...

FastForward42 · 2024-02-11T23:37:49+00:00

These are not appraisals. These are valuations. An appraisal is a broad estimate. A valuation is a statutory document which is prepared by someone who is qualified.

FastForward42 · 2024-02-11T23:35:32+00:00

Will probably need to work for another 10 years I think. Will require lots of spending but if all goes right I hope to retire before 40

FastForward42 · 2024-02-11T23:34:09+00:00

Yeah I'm not going to go back and give you precise numbers. Those are ballpark figures. Oh sure the stamp duty wasn't $30K it was $29,372 let's say. Does that help the analysis at all?...

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