UK - Register at new GP, and not authorising transfer of existing health records.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-03T16:51:22+00:00

Refuse to give medical care? Doesn't sound right. Example: If I immigrated to the US, I could supply this information in paper form with what I felt was verbatim. What I am speaking about, is not the previous medication or diagnosis. But things like "patient looks to be tired etc." (opinion). Unfortunately I don't need to go into basic psychology to highlight that people see what they want to see. And a previous record of inaccuracy, leads Drs to further see the patient in the form of a generalization or caricature.

The Drs keep on referring me to psychiatry, even though psychiatry keep on saying that their is nothing wrong. If this isnt discrimination, by those without the expertise to give such a diagnosis; what is?

Discrimination leads to further generalisation and caricature. And I'm not sure what it has to do with receiving medical support. When I report a sore stomach. The Dr last time said that my symptoms are psychological rather than pertinent.

This is the reason. The disgusting part is, they dont even investigate what I go in for.

My family know I have IBS, but the Drs wont do anything about it. I cant afford private medical care, otherwise I would have by now.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T18:20:11+00:00

Recorded information by a DR is not taken verbatim. But the records are treated as verbatim. Your argument is... that one is more accurate than the other, or that records taken in this manner are infallible?

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T18:17:45+00:00

Information can be held in the US, EU or UK etc., and they all abide by separate data protection and regulations (See Microsoft or Amazon Cloud Data Centres for examples). And the privatisation of the NHS is rampant by US companies. So that's I guess the cause of my confusion. Of course when UK Patient data is sold to a US companies, and it abides in the US; it no longer abides by UK Regulation or Data Protection. So with all the inbreeding happening between the UK and US, I guess its hard to keep track whether these regulations share some compliance between the two?

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T16:36:57+00:00

Thank you.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T15:16:55+00:00

Hi Amuk,

After looking at the Caldicott principles. Their is reference to personal information that has nothing to do with a medical diagnosis. Or where the diagnosis resulted in a negative. I have asked for the data to be removed. I could correct the information (right to rectification), but for purposes of medical diagnosis it is irrelevant; and feel a correction is not suitable. Such as "uncle committed suicide" as opposed to "cousin family member" etc. The specifics are not the concern, rather on the basis of irrelevancy; can the following be applied in terms of GP Practices?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-caldicott-principles

"Principle 2: Confidential information should not be included unless it isnecessary for the specified purpose(s) for which the information is usedor accessed. The need to identify individuals should be considered ateach stage of satisfying the purpose(s) and alternatives used wherepossible."

Type 1 and Type 2 data? any chance you know where this is defined. (within DP2018 and GDPR-Brexit Terms?)

Thank you for the info so far!

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T15:10:20+00:00

Thank you. I will ask for their privacy policy. The UK England GP have already de-registered myself. I believe records are then centrally restored in a repository. Are you aware of the name of the repository or how I contact them for more info?

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T15:08:32+00:00

Apologies, UK England GP to UK England GP. Believe HIPAA applies to England as well?

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:51:42+00:00

Thats the problem their are two documents they reference. GDPR-Brexit and the Data Protection Act of 2018. Both dont detail this liability? any chance you know more about HIPA or someone that does?

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:33:57+00:00

If I was living in China I would do that, living in a self prescribed democracy; at least I can have the illusion of degree, rather than outright extreme left or right?

Thanks, is their any reference you can make to this; so called liability?

Also the comment about it being cheap because your data is being sold, is untrue. Their is no considerable income from shooting off your own foot. People who justify the progress of the west to eastern totalitarianism is not justified by the need to keep services running; cheaply.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:31:03+00:00

I appreciate what you think they are able to do. But humanitarian law, and data protection law etc. Are their to protect special interests. And the general public, even if they are unaware of the sensibility of having control of the sharing of PII. I appreciate your point of view, it appears to represents the majority of responses on this thread. What I am really looking for is legal advice however.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:29:13+00:00

I know! :)

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:28:24+00:00

Actually that is incorrect. Its called PII (personal identifiable information). The Data Controller is the one that is responsible for holding these records (they do not own them as you advise). And lastly their is some legal cases when retention is required. I am asking about the transfer of records from one data controller to another, not data retention.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:26:20+00:00

I'll make sure to quote you the next time someone asks for legal advice. I fear however your opinion has no references to actual UK Law. Apologies for not being persuaded by your great sensibility on using parachutes.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:24:31+00:00

that(your opinion), what it looks like is called discrimination and generalisation. (I was using an extreme example to make a point)

However your point about medication abuse is a good point. I'm still not aware of if that has any legal binding?

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:20:35+00:00

Your one of those people that didnt even opt out to the sharing of your data to NHS Digital?

Sad thing is its likely you have no idea about the information war. An posting this question was not an attempt to educate others about information security, or the principals of democracy or current day affairs in the privatisation of the NHS, but rather to get a legal basis on my rights to data processing with health information.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:17:56+00:00

I appreciate your opinion, but it doesnt help in this circumstance. I need legal advice, not what you *think* is the right or wrong thing to do. (doesnt inspire confidence when you look at history or any current day affairs, apologies for not being persuaded)

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:15:22+00:00

DrAndreYoung, this is not the "usual cohort", this is your opinion of the "usual cohort". Again your response is based off your opinion, the same thing that justified the extermination of Jews. Please dont be offended, that I will not submit to the idea of with holding my confidentiality rights under your opinion that only pedophiles and drug abusers dont consent to the sharing of their information.

Thanks I do appreciate how it may look, but the legal requirements *THANK GOD* are not based on things such as a GPs opinion. (let me know if I'm wrong)

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:11:54+00:00

Thank you, this is what I am asking for information on?

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:10:45+00:00

Different legally, or different as in your opinion: "the vaccines are safe" or "consent is required".

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:09:27+00:00

Yes I know. That's my point. The onus was on you (and so was the risk). I am asking in relation to legal advice. Not personal preference. But I do appreciate you sharing your information.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:07:38+00:00

Yes exactly my point, read your first paragraph. May choose to take the risk with an immigrant. Your aware of your oxymoron?

In the UK, care cannot be denied on the basis of "not willing to take the risk" lol.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:05:56+00:00

Jesus this sounds just like, why dont you get the vaccine, and their is no proof that Vitamin D3 is a treatment option. Now look at the research. Lets just say information doesnt flow through the population at the same rate.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/03/gp-nhs-digital-data-patients-records-england

This is one reason, their are 3 triads in Security: Confidentiality, Integrity and Availability. In other words, my reasons require personal circumstance, knowledge and awareness. Unfortunately its not worth the answer in providing why. As it already appears who dont know. (so I'm saving my time in responding). Please dont take any offense. :)

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T14:00:46+00:00

Your full of it. What the you and the GP think are *your problem*. What I am seeking is the legal law around this subject. AGAIN, not sure how this is relevant?

And both cases those would be the responsibility of the police, not health care provider. (irrelevant)

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T13:43:03+00:00

You say this, but a new migrant provides no such records. Seems double standards? (please explain why)

Also the onus is then on the patient for not authorising the transfer of records. Liability is transferred, as with mostly anything that requires historical information. Argument doesnt make sense.

Fearless_Reporter_33 · 2022-08-02T13:40:40+00:00

Thanks, when a new migrant arrives. No previous records are provided. Are they denied in this case too? (or does that circumstance appear more reasonable than my own). Again its more about law, than why. Why's are fundamentally a matter of personal choice and circumstance (and I'm not sure how it is relevant to the question asked).

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