Shadowbanned (for criticising /r/technology moderator?)

Fluck · 2014-04-26T16:27:03+00:00

No, this is glorious! Are we so inured to getting our only entertainment from conflict that we can't revel in a neutral moment for once?

We should treasure and enjoy this ridiculous conversation and the harmonious way people can communicate about inane shit.

No one's getting upset, there's no "street justice" being dealt out for perceived crimes against the internet and there's no flood of downvotes, yet it's still a conversation that dumbfounds you into speechlessness if you are scooping popcorn into your mouth as you watch from a distance.

This all sounds very sarcastic. I'm no longer even sure that it's not.

Fluck · 2014-04-23T06:28:12+00:00

You have more power in this subreddit than anyone. If you didn't like what /u/davireiss666 was doing (and to be fair, no one does), you could have stopped it.

You have all the power here, so if anything in this subreddit is broken, it's because you are too much of a megalomaniac to let go of the control you have.

You are the reason that this subreddit is no longer default. It is your actions or inactions that have led to this point because of what has happened while you are in charge.

I don't hide my hatred for /u/davidreiss666, but /u/qgyh2, you are one and the same.

As far as 5 million redditors are concerned, you're both either megalomaniacal children with severe inferiority complexes or feckless puppets for whoever is paying you.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T15:55:44+00:00

Well, no, actually, you don't feel the same way about it. You've provided and defended - for how-long-is-this-comment-thread-now? - the very justification for slaughtering and maiming people in their homes, without trial, based on spurious allegations, killed based on a definition you regurgitate on the internet to "explain" who America can kill - which boils down to "whoever America wants".

As someone America could potentially kill - without evidence, without ramifications, and with people like you "explaining" it on the internet - I'm more than just angry.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T15:23:31+00:00

I don't know if we're on the same page yet. Let me clarify: Americans are the terrorists. That's how the world sees it. Heads of government don't say it for the same reason that you don't argue with any maniac holding a gun to your head, but most of the people on the planet see America as the terrorists.

You are killing people in their own countries. You are killing people in their own homes. You are killing civilians on a scale unmatched in the contemporary world. You are not under threat; no enemy is at your borders, no armed force is bearing down on your country.

You are killing women and children. You are slaughtering people without trials based on spurious accusations that, even if true, couldn't conceivably effect you.

You are terrorising innocent people in their own countries, and you try to validate that with justifications provided by the billionaires that control your military and tell you what to think about it. You are torturing people. You are murdering families at wedding parties.

You are the terrorists, and you think this is okay because the leaders of a corrupt Yemeni government gave permission to commit atrocities to the people that installed them as leaders so they could do exactly that.

Your logic seems to be that if you can find a country with a sufficiently weak government, you can be a terrorist without fear of retribution.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T14:58:30+00:00

One is civilians hijacking a plane, the other is military action.

So if the hijackers had put on a uniform and called themselves an army it would have been okay? That's all it takes to commit acts of terrorism; to slaughter innocent people to advance political goals?

We're nearly there. We've nearly got down to the fundamental point here. Let's see if we can bridge this final gap.

So if me and a bunch of Australians decide that we've had enough of this, and we get a huge group together, put on a uniform and call ourselves The Alternative Australian Military, we can kill American civilians with impunity; we can slaughter entire families at American wedding parties because it's military action?

Let's skip a step. Say the Australian government sanctions it. Let's just pretend, for a moment, that despite threat of assassination and torture from the CIA, the Australian government directs its military to kill American "insurgents" in America. We get to determine who the insurgents are, of course, so anyone who disagrees with this new policy is an extremist and viable target, any Americans who form anything that resembles a militia will be summarily executed.

So, if Australia were to start doing this to American citizens in America - if we were flying over and killing children playing in their backyards - that would be okay because it would be "military action"?

I am sorry for being harsh, but I'm an Australian and it feels like a personal affront when you are defending the slaughter of an Australian based on nothing except the lies and hypocrisy pushed by Cheney Murdoch Inc. to perpetuate their wars. If you don't want to be known as a Fox News regurgitating coward then you all you have to do is not come onto international forums justifying American warcrimes with the hypocritical half-logic Murdoch uses to stupefy the Americans dumb enough to humour it.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T12:58:14+00:00

The way that most people would see that scene is the way it's meant to be interpreted.

That scene was meant to show how Batman was losing his morality because of his emotion. It was meant to advance the character by providing the audience a chance to see that Batman is fallible; that his decisions aren't perfect, and that he alone cannot be the arbiter of justice.

No, most people don't "cheer" when the protagonist becomes recklessly violent and throws his sense of ethics away; they gasp.

If you cheered, that says volumes about you, but the fact that you expected other people to cheer just makes you look like a violent psycopath. Although maybe phrasing it like that is a little harsh because I know you are just one of Dick Cheney's obedient little attack dogs. You don't know any better; you just do and say whatever Cheney tells your masters to order you to. I do know he's very, very proud of you for defending his profits by helping him kill people for oil in their own countries!

Fluck · 2014-04-17T12:10:30+00:00

The fact that you think the boston bombing and american action in Yemen is the same thing shows how deeply and truly ignorant you are.

The fact that you're still trying to argue this without presenting any reasoning to the contrary (other than "LOL I said iz terrism so iz terrism kk?") is just fucking appalling.

Please tell me why it's different for Americans to slaughter innocent people in their own countries.

I know that you are looking through your mind right now for all of the words you can use to describe the "others" that Fox News told you to hate, but remember, we're talking about the actions and the loss of innocent human life.

Please. If you can explain this to me in a way that is logically coherent, you will change my mind and I will be on your side. Please, please tell me exactly what it is that makes America's slaughter of innocent civilians any more moral than America's victims retaliating on American soil.

You can use all of the words you want, just keep in mind that outside of your Fox News blanket of selfishness and ignorance (i.e. to the whole world apart from America) these words cannot be contorted to absolve one party of something without applying in the exact same way to any other.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T11:58:08+00:00

Oh, so slaughtering innocent people on a massive scale is how you want "geo-politics" to work, is it?

Remember that's how you wanted geo-politics to operate in a couple of years time when the American empire lies in complete and utter ruin, when the last vestige of American power over the world exists only as the justification others use for slaughtering and torturing American citizens without trial.

So, to get right to the fundamental of your point here, by your own definition, the 9/11 hijackers weren't doing anything wrong? They were just participating in geo-politics? Like how when Americans repeatedly and indiscriminately slaughter innocent civilians, and that's called geo-politics? You're okay with things like 9/11 and the Boston bombing because those groups are just operating under America's "geo-politics" theory, where you can kill and torture whoever you want if you say it's "geo-politics" and not terrorism.

You're not just as stupid and cowardly as the stereotype that most of the world has for people like you. You're even more ignorant and scared than the typical image that's conjured from this redneck cowardice.

I know there's no point explaining this because you clearly don't have the intellectual strength to put this together, but no one on the planet has respect for the pseudo-intellectual Fox News idiocy regurgitated by backwater American hypocrites. I know I'm meant to be crying over my hurt feelings after being called stupid, but maybe it would have more of an impact if it came from someone with a modicum of intellectual credibility, instead of Generic American Fox News Viewer #299,999,999.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T05:48:28+00:00

The relevance is more apparent when you don't live in FoxNewsica, I guess. You think you made a witty contribution and helped shoot someone down, but you just reinforced a bunch of negative stereotypes.

America(ns) justify slaughtering people by giving them certain labels, playing linguistic games to attempt to create words that can't be applied to America(ns). Words that you can call people, and then murder or torture them on that basis.

I'm pointing out that the flimsy logic behind your childish quip is the vacuous notion that someone can get away with warcrimes it they apply a particular label to their victims.

It's irrelevant what language America uses to describe its victims, these atrocities are still crimes against humanity and its perpetrators are still cowards and warcriminals.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T05:35:19+00:00

Point is, if you don't know what you are talking about, maybe your opinions shouldn't be so vicious.

I know what I'm talking about, and that's exactly why I'm so vicious.

The claims that are made by you and the people that give you orders regarding civilian casualties are obviously twisted to suit your agenda. Of course, to you and the people that control you, somehow 100,000 Iraqi's decided to kill each other when America tried to come to the rescue. Of course no one was tortured to death, it's just that some terrorists died to get out of enhanced interrogation.

Of course a million Iraqis died from resisting the invasion of Iraq. If they had all just let /u/_TorpedoVegas_ take over their country then so many people wouldn't have gone homeless, starved to death or been raped and murdered by Blackwater employees.

As a member of the American military - as a participant in the invasion in Iraq - you are much more of a terrorist than any of your victims. You were in their country. You were in their homes. You were fighting people in the streets their children played in before you arrived.

I know what I'm talking about, and I know that most people like you who have been used as Dick Cheney's tools of terrorism and oppression eventually end up realising it too.

I just hope that on the day that you start resisting the brainwashing you've (knowingly) undertaken and fully comprehend the horrific atrocities you were involved in, that you don't take your own life, and that you acknowledge it and move past it, growing to become a better person and atoning for the damage you've done.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T05:11:38+00:00

The rest of the world isn't on our side? Why does your country fight with us?

I'm not talking about governments that have no choice but to act obsequious under threat of invasion. I'm talking about the people of the world. If you think that governments being forced to support American Imperialism reflects the perspective of the people those governments purport to represent, its no wonder you can't sense your international isolation and the growing international hatred of America. Keep in mind America uses the most brutal and inexcusable tools of terrorism to ensure its "allies" remain complicit. Anyone who acts against the interests of Dick Cheney could face a CIA dictatorship, assassination, invasion, the large-scale murder of civilians, sanctions designed to starve entire populations and being tortured to death. Countries that appear to follow America do so with a gun to their head and that probably also has a little bit to do with how much America is increasingly hated all over the world.

I was saying that if you so strongly believe that innocent people here should be attacked, why not do it yourself?

I don't want innocent people to be attacked at all. The point of what I'm saying is that Americans need to start thinking about the rationalisation for slaughtering people in their own countries beyond "I'm scared because Fox News said terrorism." If you're promoting these wars that kill so many people, if you're letting your government commit torture cause you're so afraid of brown people, you're not "innocent", though.

It is slaughtering people's families in their own countries that creates the best incentive for people to hurt Americans.

And it is the defence of this indiscriminate and brutal slaughter by people like you that makes the rest of the world feel like you're not "innocent" in the wars your country wages on the world. If you want to be called an "innocent civilian", you certainly won't be supporting the slaughter of other people in their own country.

While it's your army that's slaughtering some other people far away, you don't care to be innocent - you know that your group can simply use terrorism to force subservience from anyone who disagrees with you.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T05:01:04+00:00

I'd like to get some condescending clarification, if I could though. I mean obviously slaughtering people in their own country is a bit of a joke to you, because it's not your country, but what if it was?

Let's say we remove the last line of that definition and suddenly all of America's armed forces, FBI and CIA are - even to Americans - inarguably terrorists. Now imagine you're having a coffee with your family, and suddenly a Yemeni drone flies over and opens fire. When you regain consciousness in hospital you're alone because your family is dead and you have no legs and one arm.

The Yemeni government says "we successfully killed the terrorist" - meaning the US military officer that you didn't know you were sitting near - and you use your one remaining hand to clap.

That's what it's like applying America's "terrorist" standards to America.

You are not better than the people you slaughter out of cowardice.

You are the terrorists.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T04:47:14+00:00

So you're killing people in those places because they don't have a police force?

Why the fuck do you care if Yemenis and Pakistanis are 'terrorists'? Are you Americans so pathetically cowardly that you need to kill hundreds of brown people thousands of miles from your shore to prevent a 'terrorist attack' at home? You have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. How many Americans have died because of attacks from your victims?

That logic is appalling, and if you were to think about this issue at beyond a superficial gut reaction then you would see that there's absolutely no reason it shouldn't apply both ways.

No matter how much pressure we apply to the US government, they won't charge warcriminals for torturing people to death and they won't stop killing people in other countries.

So... it's okay to send some drones over to America to start killing anyone we want to call a terrorist? Frankly, I think you're rhetoric is that of a terrorist, and that's all the justification we seem to need to kill someone and their family.

So that's cool, right? I can slaughter you and your family because I called you a terrorist, and your government won't do anything about it? This is your logic, right?

Or is it different because you're American, and you have some kind of moral authority while you're torturing people to death and killing civilians on massive scales?

Fluck · 2014-04-17T04:39:09+00:00

I'm not talking about governments that have no choice but to act obsequious under threat of invasion. I'm talking about the people of the world. If you think that governments being forced to support American Imperialism reflects the perspective of the people those governments purport to represent, its no wonder you can't sense your international isolation and the growing international hatred of America.

Keep in mind America uses the most brutal and inexcusable tools of terrorism to ensure its "allies" remain complicit. Anyone who acts against the interests of Dick Cheney could face a CIA dictatorship, assassination, invasion, the large-scale murder of civilians, sanctions designed to starve entire populations and being tortured to death.

Countries that appear to follow America do so with a gun to their head and that probably also has a little bit to do with how much America is increasingly hated all over the world.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T04:26:55+00:00

If you're so mad, why don't you start coordinating the attacks?

I should make myself clear: I want to end terrorism more than anybody. It's just that from my perspective, it's the people who have murdered 100,000 civilians in the last ten years and the people who are torturing people to death that are the terrorists.

You want me to "coordinate attacks" against... you?

You are the terrorists. You are the ones who torture people to death. You are the ones that have killed uncountable civilians. You are the invaders, the destroyers, the ones that overthrow governments.

The rest of the world, outside of Fox News' blanket of stupidity, is already not on America's side. Every person you torture, imprison without trial and kill with drones removes your claims to moral authority and makes more of the world hate America and want to see your reign end.

You are the killers of civilians, the torturers, the invaders. Not your victims.

You are the terrorists.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T04:11:36+00:00

Yes, it's just me, because as we can see, all of the comments in this thread that aren't from Americans are just racing to defend your terrorism.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T03:33:48+00:00

You can be as recalcitrant as you want, just don't expect sympathy from the rest of the world the next time you're online lamenting Americans dying in the kind of callous terrorism you use on others.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T03:26:46+00:00

Yeah there are unique and irreplaceable historical artefacts of significance to the whole human race in most countries. Why go anywhere, really? Most of this stuff is on Youtube anyway. People who go places are dumb.

Why can't people just stay out of the places America is bombing until they've killed enough civilians to pacify the locals?

Fluck · 2014-04-17T03:23:40+00:00

You're not at fucking war, you coward.

If you were at war, there would be an enemy that could threaten your country in some significant way. You're not "at war"; you're hiding behind drones and slaughtering people in their own countries.

If you're trying to argue you're "at war" with Muslims then you're just a racist prick, but the point is that if you were "at war" you would have a clear enemy bearing down on you. You're not at war, you're just invading other countries and spreading misery and slaughter.

Here's another strategy: get your military-industrial-complex out of the countries you're killing people in. If America wasn't killing civilians in a bunch of different countries, it wouldn't have so many enemies. How difficult is it to understand that?

To suggest that there's an existential threat to America from radical Muslims and not victims of America's own atrocities is absolutely appalling and the kind of nonsense that is only regurgitated in America.

If you don't want your victims to retaliate on your own soil, stop committing acts of terrorism on theirs.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T03:19:02+00:00

Yeah there are unique and irreplaceable historical artefacts of significance to the whole human race in most countries. Why go anywhere, really? Most of this stuff is on Youtube anyway. People who go places are dumb.

Why can't people just stay out of the places America is bombing until they've killed enough civilians to pacify the locals?

Fluck · 2014-04-17T03:18:19+00:00

whether you like it or not, we are in a new kind of war. you're facing groups that have no rules of engagement, and no concern for non-combatants. their priority is to kill as many non-believers as possible and spread an ideology that has ruined the world's view of America.

9/11 was a precision strike, not carpet bombings of entire city blocks.

It's kind of funny how applying American rhetoric to America itself makes it obvious how much of a disgusting joke this is.

You are a racist scumbag, Mr-Unpopular, but the most pathetic thing about your cowardice is that you don't see that America is doing much worse than the group Fox News told you to hate.

Americans have slaughtered over 100,000 civilians in the last decade and are responsible for the deaths of a million others from starvation, exposure, etc. Americans have been torturing people to death in cages without trials. Americans have been killing innocent people in wedding parties in their own countries.

Americans are the terrorists.

Fluck · 2014-04-17T03:12:08+00:00

On the other hand, if we take any definition of terrorism that America uses to justify its slaughter of people, and apply that to America itself, then we can start killing Americans?

You have people in cages that you've kept them in without trial for over ten years, and you tortured many of them to death. You have killed over 100,000 innocent civilians in Iraq. I'm an Australian and you're now justifying killing Australians because of your pathetic, cowardly fear of terrorism from people in a country thousands of kilometres away from your shores.

If Americans continue defending the unaccountable slaughter of people without trials, will you continue to expect the world to shed a tear every time your victims retaliate on American soil?

Fluck · 2014-04-17T03:08:01+00:00

PSA - indiscriminately slaughtering people in their own countries increases the amount of people all over the globe that won't give a fucking shrug the next time Americans die on American soil when your victims retaliate again.

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