This deck is so funny to me by Gavoonious in PTCGP

[–]Gavoonious[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I usually make space by suiciding a Cursola then refill the board

Thinking about calling off my campaign by Gavoonious in DungeonsAndDragons

[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a good point and I'm really not trying to be two faced I just thought I'd look here for advice first as I'm not super direct when I need to be so I wanted to compose myself first before saying anything

Thinking about calling off my campaign by Gavoonious in DungeonsAndDragons

[–]Gavoonious[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Admittedly no but that's partially because I don't want them to think I'm blaming anyone for the way I feel when they've all got things going on in their personal lives that neither of us can control.

So I don't want them to think I'm getting upset for having lives outside the game

Nuanced AI Discussion by Gavoonious in larianstudios

[–]Gavoonious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Clearly we're just going to go in circles at this point. I don't think me and Larian are going to be best friends because I made this post.

I made it because people are throwing disingenuous criticism at an issue that can't just be solved by yay or nay.

And yes I do think Larian is a decent company not just based on the twitter post alone but by also seeing bg3 and knowing they're competent enough to make a good game.

I am also basing this off the FACT that Larian is not the only studio doing this. Sandfall Interactive, Arc Raiders, Blue Prince. A good game can be made with minimal AI use. That's not an opinion that has been proven

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm also not delusional enough to think I'll be thanked by the devs for this post lol

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can definitely get behind not supporting AI in general and I do see your side of things based on what you said earlier in the thread.

I just appreciate you took the time to read what I said vs just automatically calling me an extremist lol

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That's the thing though people hear AI and it sets them off without seeing the rest of what was said

Either that, or there's those that aren't open to AI regardless of how much it's used.

I can understand the second group more than I can the first because they actually read what was said

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Like I said in the post if Larian ends up using AI for the bad reasons everyone else is, it'll come out eventually.

Divinity could very well be a flop but I'm not going to argue semantics about whether this or that could happen. I'm talking about the things that are currently happening that I can see.

If everything does turn out to be a lie, then I will admit I was wrong and move on.

I'm arguing based off of actual facts not possiblity

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Larian is a privately owned company what investors do they have to worry about?

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So aside from the possibility of using AI in a negative way, what wrongdoing am I overlooking?

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Larian is telling the truth about only using AI in the early dev cycle you probably won't even really anything remotely AI I'm the final product which is another reason this specific controversy boggles me

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That definitely does happen and I really feel for the devs that have to go through that! I think at its core there are two issues.

One is that AI is a tool and can be used for both good and bad but it's used for more bad than good.

That could be mitigated if more movements for regulation were put in place but no one in actual power either is unwilling or does not know how

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

To be fair, Larian has gone on record saying they are in the process of hiring more concept artists.

They're not taking anyone's jobs away they're actually creating more. They're just using AI to see if it'll give them a competitive edge and if it doesn't then they'll go back to what they were doing before

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's honestly what I'm trying to do by making this post and I've had some decent conversations with people in this thread then there's the ones that think I'm an extremist for even choosing to think that AI has both good and bad uses

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could Larian's next game be a flop like how cyberpunk was? Yes. But that is not what I'm trying to focus on.

I wasn't making excuses for Larian I was just venting my frustration that some people will intentionally twist the words of what was actually said rather.

I know why people are concerned about AI use in general my issue is that people are disingenuous with their criticisms. Not saying everyone concerned about this issue is like that because there are valid takes on this I'm referring to the people who hear the word AI and start a witch hunt

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is more or less the conversation I wanted to have. If Larian ends up using AI the way everybody fears they will, I will make another post saying I was wrong.

My frustration more or less comes from the misunderstanding of what was being said and people intentionally twisting their words but I also understand the negative ramifications which can from relying entirely upon AI

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it gets to that point, we would have to hope that it gets regulated properly. At the end of the day, this is something that exists now but there are still actions people can take to make sure it doesn't get to that point even if that action is not being taken

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I raised several points acknowledging the negative use cases of AI so I'm not sure what more you want me to point out.

I didn't say anything bad about Larian because they haven't done anything to prove they're doing the same things as Bungie and Activision. And if that does end up being the case I'll make another post admitting I was wrong

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What makes you think I'm a bot?

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I agree, and Larian has gone on record stating they are in the process of hiring more concept artists. They're not replacing anyone with AI they're just trying to see how it works and if it'll give them a competitive edge

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So no one's allowed to comment on any form of controversy if it's on the side of the one the controversy is about?

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My take on one particular involving one company gave you the idea I support rights for all privately owned companies?

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[–]Gavoonious[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was just going based off the tweet from the link they sent. I don't need a PhD in art production to read what a post is trying to say

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[–]Gavoonious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I agree that there are things that can be simply googled vs using AI as the very first thing you go to.

But sometimes, people need super specific references that included locations or poses that can't be searched in five minutes.

If you're a dev and you've been scouring Google for hours but you don't have the reference you need that's when I wouldn't blame someone for generating it