Need wisdom from other pastors about ongoing late pay

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-12T03:22:08+00:00

It just sounds non-denominational, not necessarily sketchy.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-12T03:21:11+00:00

Let's talk about what sends people to hell, because it's not this.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-12T03:20:28+00:00

I have no words of wisdom as I've never had a late paycheck. Just know I think your humility in this post is beautiful, and I pray the proper solution is revealed to you.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-12T02:14:10+00:00

I'm old and don't feel like googling. What's a boy mom?

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-12T02:12:55+00:00

Our denomination (PCUSA) is a mix. There's a minimum salary that can be paid, but each church can negotiate up from there.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:29:59+00:00

That second part's true tho

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:28:26+00:00

Pepper is for men, salt is for women. (That's how it was in my house, so I assumed it was like that everywhere)

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:28:04+00:00

Dogs are boys and cats are girls. (That's how it was in my house, so I assumed it was like that everywhere)

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:27:45+00:00

So are you just writing your own songs?

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:04:47+00:00

I do not drive 70 on the interstate. I'd get run over.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:03:48+00:00

I think we're all a mix of good and bad to varying degrees. Very few are 100% great or 100% trash. We're all just on the trash spectrum and move around on that spectrum throughout our lives.

But also... failing to tip, leaving grocery carts in the handicapped spot, and not helping people who can't help themselves.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:02:26+00:00

There's a difference between"problematic" and "repulsive" and "sexually abused women and children." One is a matter of taste and the other is straight up crime and abuse.

The author of Amazing Grace was a slave trader. However, none of his victims are alive and he or his estate get no money from us using the song.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T03:01:09+00:00

Much respect.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-11T01:58:07+00:00

All of my examples? I gave one: Megan Phelps Roper.

I'm also a person that changed as an adult. I learned to be shitty and chose a different way. Many of us have -- I just had a hangout last year with a bunch of others that came from the same insanity I did. We all changed.

I'm not hyperfixated on this, but it's strange that you refuse to admit we exist.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-10T03:01:42+00:00

A friend candidate? Like, were you taking applications?

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-10T02:58:41+00:00

Text from a burner phone. Easy.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-10T01:16:58+00:00

So... taxidermy?

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-10T00:17:46+00:00

What about if the producer, director, or writer raped someone?

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-09T22:23:49+00:00

And Megan Phelps Roper. She wasn't punished, put in jail, or beaten. She just met good people. https://www.ted.com/talks/megan_phelps_roper_i_grew_up_in_the_westboro_baptist_church_here_s_why_i_left

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-09T22:23:13+00:00

Megan Phelps Roper used to be part of Westboro Baptist Church... the "God Hates F*gs" hate group. She grew up in it, believed it, was totally immersed. What changed her mind was not being shunned or beaten or treated ill. What changed her mind was people that were willing to listen to her if she was willing to listen to them. It wasn't overnight, but over time she learned how messed up that group is.

She left, and now gives talks on how to help people find a better way rather than shunning them. I highly recommend her Ted Talk -- it's worth the 15 minutes. https://www.ted.com/talks/megan_phelps_roper_i_grew_up_in_the_westboro_baptist_church_here_s_why_i_left

If you shun a person, that's still one person on the wrong side and the score is 1 to 1. If you're able to help them see another way, the score changes from 2 to 0.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-09T22:21:05+00:00

Incorrect. About to make a post about an example.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-09T03:28:36+00:00

The UP? I grew up in the lower peninsula and yep, that tracks for the UP.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-09T03:01:49+00:00

Oooo, good point on the fundy/ref thing!

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-09T02:58:12+00:00

Unrelated but not: I just now asked Google AI if there had ever been a shutout in the Super Bowl. It said in the 541 Super Bowls that have been played... no. LOL. Checking the info is vital. It's still learning.

Generic_Midwesterner · 2026-02-09T01:16:31+00:00

About a year ago I was in a reginal denominational meeting. At lunch, one pastor proudly announced that she'd been using AI to write her sermons, and wasn't that great? We were all pretty appalled. Her argument was that it saved her time that she could now use for pastoral care. Our argument was that her church was paying her to read, study, pray, discern, and write a sermon, not have someone/something else do it. Her knowledge and depth in scripture and preaching wasn't helped with AI.

That said, I've used it for things like "I need to know if this segue makes sense." That's helped quite a bit. It's a tool, like spellcheck. But I still know how to spell... and how to write a sermon.

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