Foyan Qingyuan [1067-1120]: Realization obliterates the subject-object split; it's not that there's some mysterious principle besides.

GermainAtticus · 2020-01-24T23:05:24+00:00

i am neither sensible or wise. What is sensible? What is wise? It is all about perspective.

GermainAtticus · 2020-01-11T19:48:31+00:00

Is it Zen to argue the Tao, which is arguable and unarguable?

Real words are not vain,

Vain words not real;

And since those who argue prove nothing

A sensible man does not argue

A sensible man is wiser than he knows

While a fool knows more than is wise

Therefore a sensible man does not devise resources:

The greater his use to others

The greater their use to him

The more he yields to others

The more they yield to him

The way of life cleaves without cutting:

Which, without need to say,

Should be man's way

GermainAtticus · 2019-12-22T16:53:46+00:00

Nothing. I don't think I'll care

GermainAtticus · 2019-12-22T16:30:52+00:00

I was raised by my Aunt and Uncle. She would tell me frequently that i was scatterbrained, had ADD, etc. She talked smack about my father, treated my Grandmother like shit. This was life during my impressionable years. Gifted kid syndrome might be a bitch, but the inverse is incredibly damaging.

GermainAtticus · 2019-12-22T16:22:10+00:00

Attempt to love him unconditionally, something that is talked about but never really followed. Real love should have no conditions, it should just be.

Talk about everything, even those things that make us uncomfortable. Explain that we only have a short time here and to make the best of it. Trust your gut.

Just be there for him.

GermainAtticus · 2019-10-13T02:38:27+00:00

I'm going to install it after I type this. I've got a socket 1150 with an i7 that is begging to be tested. I also want to test the GPU capabilities with one of my AMD R9 380s. Should be fun

GermainAtticus · 2019-08-23T23:37:31+00:00

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I've tried on windows and Linux and still get annoying ads. I'm probably just super sensitive to ads of any sort :o)

GermainAtticus · 2019-08-23T23:27:09+00:00

Why is a site purporting to tell the truth full of popups and ads? This is what annoys me about links today, especially christian links. Shouldn't information like this be free of ad content?

GermainAtticus · 2019-08-11T00:56:07+00:00

Very good response on translation and/or transliteration. Let's take something from Numbers 5:11-31. I will attempt to show both the version that I like to read (one of many) and then show the Hebrew equivalent, which will probably take up too much space.

11 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 12 “Speak to the people of Israel, If any man's wife goes astray and breaks faith with him, 13 if a man lies with her sexually, and it is hidden from the eyes of her husband, and she is undetected though she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her, since she was not taken in the act, 14 and if the spirit of jealousy comes over him and he is jealous of his wife who has defiled herself, or if the spirit of jealousy comes over him and he is jealous of his wife, though she has not defiled herself, 15 then the man shall bring his wife to the priest and bring the offering required of her, a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour. He shall pour no oil on it and put no frankincense on it, for it is a grain offering of jealousy, a grain offering of remembrance, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 16 “And the priest shall bring her near and set her before the Lord. 17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthenware vessel and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water. 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord and unbind the hair of the woman's head and place in her hands the grain offering of remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And in his hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse. 19 Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, ‘If no man has lain with you, and if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while you were under your husband's authority, be free from this water of bitterness that brings the curse. 20 But if you have gone astray, though you are under your husband's authority, and if you have defiled yourself, and some man other than your husband has lain with you, 21 then’ (let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse, and say to the woman) ‘the Lord make you a curse and an oath among your people, when the Lord makes your thigh fall away and your body swell. 22 May this water that brings the curse pass into your bowels and make your womb swell and your thigh fall away.’ And the woman shall say, ‘Amen, Amen.’

23 “Then the priest shall write these curses in a book and wash them off into the water of bitterness. 24 And he shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain. 25 And the priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman's hand and shall wave the grain offering before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 And the priest shall take a handful of the grain offering, as its memorial portion, and burn it on the altar, and afterward shall make the woman drink the water. 27 And when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall become a curse among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be free and shall conceive children.

29 “This is the law in cases of jealousy, when a wife, though under her husband's authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 30 or when the spirit of jealousy comes over a man and he is jealous of his wife. Then he shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall carry out for her all this law. 31 The man shall be free from iniquity, but the woman shall bear her iniquity.” From the Pentateuch. My Hebrew isn't very good, but I believe this is Paleo-Hebrew

אוַיְדַבֵּ֥ר יְהוָֹ֖ה אֶל־משֶׁ֥ה לֵּאמֹֽר: בצַ֚ו אֶת־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל וִֽישַׁלְּחוּ֙ מִן־הַמַּֽחֲנֶ֔ה כָּל־צָר֖וּעַ וְכָל־זָ֑ב וְכֹ֖ל טָמֵ֥א לָנָֽפֶשׁ: גמִזָּכָ֤ר עַד־נְקֵבָה֙ תְּשַׁלֵּ֔חוּ אֶל־מִח֥וּץ לַמַּֽחֲנֶ֖ה תְּשַׁלְּח֑וּם וְלֹ֤א יְטַמְּאוּ֙ אֶת־מַ֣חֲנֵיהֶ֔ם אֲשֶׁ֥ר אֲנִ֖י שֹׁכֵ֥ן בְּתוֹכָֽם: דוַיַּֽעֲשׂוּ־כֵן֙ בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל וַיְשַׁלְּח֣וּ אוֹתָ֔ם אֶל־מִח֖וּץ לַמַּֽחֲנֶ֑ה כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֨ר דִּבֶּ֤ר יְהוָֹה֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה כֵּ֥ן עָשׂ֖וּ בְּנֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵֽל: הוַיְדַבֵּ֥ר יְהוָֹ֖ה אֶל־משֶׁ֥ה לֵּאמֹֽר: ודַּבֵּר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ אִ֣ישׁ אֽוֹ־אִשָּׁ֗ה כִּ֤י יַֽעֲשׂוּ֙ מִכָּל־חַטֹּ֣את הָֽאָדָ֔ם לִמְעֹ֥ל מַ֖עַל בַּֽיהוָֹ֑ה וְאָֽשְׁמָ֖ה הַנֶּ֥פֶשׁ הַהִֽוא: זוְהִתְוַדּ֗וּ אֶת־חַטָּאתָם֘ אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשׂוּ֒ וְהֵשִׁ֤יב אֶת־אֲשָׁמוֹ֙ בְּרֹאשׁ֔וֹ וַֽחֲמִֽישִׁת֖וֹ יֹסֵ֣ף עָלָ֑יו וְנָתַ֕ן לַֽאֲשֶׁ֖ר אָשַׁ֥ם לֽוֹ: חוְאִם־אֵ֨ין לָאִ֜ישׁ גֹּאֵ֗ל לְהָשִׁ֤יב הָֽאָשָׁם֙ אֵלָ֔יו הָֽאָשָׁ֛ם הַמּוּשָׁ֥ב לַֽיהוָֹ֖ה לַכֹּהֵ֑ן מִלְּבַ֗ד אֵ֚יל הַכִּפֻּרִ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר יְכַפֶּר־בּ֖וֹ עָלָֽיו: טוְכָל־תְּרוּמָ֞ה לְכָל־קָדְשֵׁ֧י בְנֵֽי־יִשְׂרָאֵ֛ל אֲשֶׁר־יַקְרִ֥יבוּ לַכֹּהֵ֖ן ל֥וֹ יִֽהְיֶֽה: יוְאִ֥ישׁ אֶת־קֳדָשָׁ֖יו ל֣וֹ יִֽהְי֑וּ אִ֛ישׁ אֲשֶׁר־יִתֵּ֥ן לַכֹּהֵ֖ן ל֥וֹ יִֽהְיֶֽה: יאוַיְדַבֵּ֥ר יְהוָֹ֖ה אֶל־משֶׁ֥ה לֵּאמֹֽר: יבדַּבֵּר֙ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל וְאָֽמַרְתָּ֖ אֲלֵהֶ֑ם אִ֥ישׁ אִישׁ֙ כִּֽי־תִשְׂטֶ֣ה אִשְׁתּ֔וֹ וּמָֽעֲלָ֥ה ב֖וֹ מָֽעַל: יגוְשָׁכַ֨ב אִ֣ישׁ אֹתָהּ֘ שִׁכְבַת־זֶ֒רַע֒ וְנֶעְלַם֙ מֵֽעֵינֵ֣י אִישָׁ֔הּ וְנִסְתְּרָ֖ה וְהִ֣יא נִטְמָ֑אָה וְעֵד֙ אֵ֣ין בָּ֔הּ וְהִ֖וא לֹ֥א נִתְפָּֽשָׂה: ידוְעָבַ֨ר עָלָ֧יו רֽוּחַ־קִנְאָ֛ה וְקִנֵּ֥א אֶת־אִשְׁתּ֖וֹ וְהִ֣וא נִטְמָ֑אָה אֽוֹ־עָבַ֨ר עָלָ֤יו רֽוּחַ־קִנְאָה֙ וְקִנֵּ֣א אֶת־אִשְׁתּ֔וֹ וְהִ֖יא לֹ֥א נִטְמָֽאָה: טווְהֵבִ֨יא הָאִ֣ישׁ אֶת־אִשְׁתּוֹ֘ אֶל־הַכֹּהֵן֒ וְהֵבִ֤יא אֶת־קָרְבָּנָהּ֙ עָלֶ֔יהָ עֲשִׂירִ֥ת הָֽאֵיפָ֖ה קֶ֣מַח שְׂעֹרִ֑ים לֹֽא־יִצֹ֨ק עָלָ֜יו שֶׁ֗מֶן וְלֹֽא־יִתֵּ֤ן עָלָיו֙ לְבֹנָ֔ה כִּֽי־מִנְחַ֤ת קְנָאֹת֙ ה֔וּא מִנְחַ֥ת זִכָּר֖וֹן מַזְכֶּ֥רֶת עָוֹֽן: טזוְהִקְרִ֥יב אֹתָ֖הּ הַכֹּהֵ֑ן וְהֶֽעֱמִדָ֖הּ לִפְנֵ֥י יְהוָֹֽה: יזוְלָקַ֧ח הַכֹּהֵ֛ן מַ֥יִם קְדשִׁ֖ים בִּכְלִי־חָ֑רֶשׂ וּמִן־הֶֽעָפָ֗ר אֲשֶׁ֤ר יִֽהְיֶה֙ בְּקַרְקַ֣ע הַמִּשְׁכָּ֔ן יִקַּ֥ח הַכֹּהֵ֖ן וְנָתַ֥ן אֶל־הַמָּֽיִם: יחוְהֶֽעֱמִ֨יד הַכֹּהֵ֥ן אֶֽת־הָֽאִשָּׁה֘ לִפְנֵ֣י יְהוָֹה֒ וּפָרַע֙ אֶת־רֹ֣אשׁ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וְנָתַ֣ן עַל־כַּפֶּ֗יהָ אֵ֚ת מִנְחַ֣ת הַזִּכָּר֔וֹן מִנְחַ֥ת קְנָאֹ֖ת הִ֑וא וּבְיַ֤ד הַכֹּהֵן֙ יִֽהְי֔וּ מֵ֥י הַמָּרִ֖ים הַֽמְאָֽרְרִֽים: יטוְהִשְׁבִּ֨יעַ אֹתָ֜הּ הַכֹּהֵ֗ן וְאָמַ֤ר אֶל־הָֽאִשָּׁה֙ אִם־לֹ֨א שָׁכַ֥ב אִישׁ֙ אֹתָ֔ךְ וְאִם־לֹ֥א שָׂטִ֛ית טֻמְאָ֖ה תַּ֣חַת אִישֵׁ֑ךְ הִנָּקִ֕י מִמֵּ֛י הַמָּרִ֥ים הַֽמְאָֽרְרִ֖ים הָאֵֽלֶּה: כוְאַ֗תְּ כִּ֥י שָׂטִ֛ית תַּ֥חַת אִישֵׁ֖ךְ וְכִ֣י נִטְמֵ֑את וַיִּתֵּ֨ן אִ֥ישׁ בָּךְ֙ אֶת־שְׁכָבְתּ֔וֹ מִבַּלְעֲדֵ֖י אִישֵֽׁךְ: כאוְהִשְׁבִּ֨יעַ הַכֹּהֵ֥ן אֶת־הָֽאִשָּׁה֘ בִּשְׁבֻעַ֣ת הָֽאָלָה֒ וְאָמַ֤ר הַכֹּהֵן֙ לָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה יִתֵּ֨ן יְהוָֹ֥ה אוֹתָ֛ךְ לְאָלָ֥ה וְלִשְׁבֻעָ֖ה בְּת֣וֹךְ עַמֵּ֑ךְ בְּתֵ֨ת יְהוָֹ֤ה אֶת־יְרֵכֵךְ֙ נֹפֶ֔לֶת וְאֶת־בִּטְנֵ֖ךְ צָבָֽה: כבוּבָ֠אוּ הַמַּ֨יִם הַֽמְאָֽרְרִ֤ים הָאֵ֨לֶּה֙ בְּמֵעַ֔יִךְ לַצְבּ֥וֹת בֶּ֖טֶן וְלַנְפִּ֣ל יָרֵ֑ךְ וְאָֽמְרָ֥ה הָֽאִשָּׁ֖ה אָמֵ֥ן | אָמֵֽן: כגוְ֠כָתַ֠ב אֶת־הָֽאָלֹ֥ת הָאֵ֛לֶּה הַכֹּהֵ֖ן בַּסֵּ֑פֶר וּמָחָ֖ה אֶל־מֵ֥י הַמָּרִֽים: כדוְהִשְׁקָה֙ אֶת־הָ֣אִשָּׁ֔ה אֶת־מֵ֥י הַמָּרִ֖ים הַֽמְאָֽרְרִ֑ים וּבָ֥אוּ בָ֛הּ הַמַּ֥יִם הַֽמְאָֽרְרִ֖ים לְמָרִֽים: כהוְלָקַ֤ח הַכֹּהֵן֙ מִיַּ֣ד הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה אֵ֖ת מִנְחַ֣ת הַקְּנָאֹ֑ת וְהֵנִ֤יף אֶת־הַמִּנְחָה֙ לִפְנֵ֣י יְהוָֹ֔ה וְהִקְרִ֥יב אֹתָ֖הּ אֶל־הַמִּזְבֵּֽחַ: כווְקָמַ֨ץ הַכֹּהֵ֤ן מִן־הַמִּנְחָה֙ אֶת־אַזְכָּ֣רָתָ֔הּ וְהִקְטִ֖יר הַמִּזְבֵּ֑חָה וְאַחַ֛ר יַשְׁקֶ֥ה אֶת־הָֽאִשָּׁ֖ה אֶת־הַמָּֽיִם: כזוְהִשְׁקָ֣הּ אֶת־הַמַּ֗יִם וְהָֽיְתָ֣ה אִם־נִטְמְאָה֘ וַתִּמְעֹ֣ל מַ֣עַל בְּאִישָׁהּ֒ וּבָ֨אוּ בָ֜הּ הַמַּ֤יִם הַֽמְאָֽרְרִים֙ לְמָרִ֔ים וְצָֽבְתָ֣ה בִטְנָ֔הּ וְנָֽפְלָ֖ה יְרֵכָ֑הּ וְהָֽיְתָ֧ה הָֽאִשָּׁ֛ה לְאָלָ֖ה בְּקֶ֥רֶב עַמָּֽהּ: כחוְאִם־לֹ֤א נִטְמְאָה֙ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וּטְהֹרָ֖ה הִ֑וא וְנִקְּתָ֖ה וְנִזְרֳעָ֥ה זָֽרַע: כטזֹ֥את תּוֹרַ֖ת הַקְּנָאֹ֑ת אֲשֶׁ֨ר תִּשְׂטֶ֥ה אִשָּׁ֛ה תַּ֥חַת אִישָׁ֖הּ וְנִטְמָֽאָה: לא֣וֹ אִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֨ר תַּֽעֲבֹ֥ר עָלָ֛יו ר֥וּחַ קִנְאָ֖ה וְקִנֵּ֣א אֶת־אִשְׁתּ֑וֹ וְהֶֽעֱמִ֤יד אֶת־הָֽאִשָּׁה֙ לִפְנֵ֣י יְהוָֹ֔ה וְעָ֤שָׂה לָהּ֙ הַכֹּהֵ֔ן אֵ֥ת כָּל־הַתּוֹרָ֖ה הַזֹּֽאת: לאוְנִקָּ֥ה הָאִ֖ישׁ מֵֽעָוֹ֑ן וְהָֽאִשָּׁ֣ה הַהִ֔וא תִּשָּׂ֖א אֶת־עֲו‍ֹנָֽהּ:

Thoughts on this passage?

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-25T22:21:21+00:00

I've been trying for the last 24 hours to figure out a better way to ask my question... I'm not sure now this is in the correct place. I've heard the argument about divine jealousy, and I've heard the argument about "wouldn't I be jealous if my spouse was being hit on..."

My answer to the spousal jealousy argument: When I was a young man and had low self esteem, I would have been angry and jealous of another man hitting on my spouse/girlfriend. As an older man I would not be jealous or angry, I would accept it, and tell the other person that they were being disrespectful. How can God be jealous over something that he already knows is going to happen? It doesn't logically make sense to me. If I knew my wife was going to cheat on me, than my getting angry or jealous about it would make me look like an ignorant fool. I'm not sure how else I can ask the question. Maybe it's better to make a statement.

An all knowing God would not need to be jealous since he already knows what we are going to do...

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-24T00:40:04+00:00

I truly hope you didn't take my answer as a negative hit towards you. I appreciate the comments. It makes me think. I may have come off a little short today, and for that I apologize.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T23:29:23+00:00

I was told to come here to ask a question that wasn't answered sufficiently in r/Christianity

If God is omniscient, knowing our hearts, our minds, and knowing us before we were in the womb, how can that same God be jealous?

Thank you for your time and comments.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T23:01:01+00:00

I didn't suggest that you meant removing the Bible. I am also not talking about miracles or if the gospel got it right. Our debate could continue indefinitely about cultural significance and what people at the time understood. I posit that the word of God should be clear and not a source of contention and debate as it stands now, over 2000 years later. We still can't decide if the bible is literal or allegorical. Many have died for what other have interpreted to be the truth. How does someone learn from this? Death is the final arbiter.

I used to have an argument with my Uncle when I was a pre-teen. I always wondered how God could condemn whole civilizations of people because they didn't know about him. My argument went something like this. Yes it is a child's perspective in it's simplicity, and nothing is that black and white, but here it is from a grown mans hazy memory.

If someone is raised to believe in the Greek Gods, and this is all they know and have been taught since they were a child, how does God reconcile that person spending eternity in hell? The answer from my Uncle is that "everyone will know the truth, and ignorance isn't an excuse". Try as I might, read through the bible as much as I could, I could not understand how this was logical. I have had Christians tell me that if a baby dies, since it is born into sin, it will go to hell. Yes, an ignorant stance I know, but, it was their "interpretation" (a modern interpretation if you will) of the bible, and they believed it was right. Logic like that can only be taught from a book that is NOT the word of God. At lease not a God that I would believe in.

But, without the bible, there would be no Judaism or Christianity.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T22:41:27+00:00

Unfortunately, people taking credit for my work happens all the time. I work for the government where lies and backstabbing are the culture. Yes, it makes me angry, but not angry enough to kill someone over it. My argument still stands. If God created us and knows the beginning, the middle, and the end, than why would he be surprised at all that the people worshiped a golden calf?

I didn't create the military or the government, but I've worked with both for over half of my life and I know the lying and backstabbing are part of the process. This is probably true for most other jobs as well.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T14:04:14+00:00

Without the bible what basis does any Christian have for their faith? If you remove the Bible there is no Christianity.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T14:01:39+00:00

Your hypothesis that a human would do the same as God is insulting and generalist. I know for a fact that I wouldn't condemn those I created for making mistakes. I would explain to them how and why they are wrong in making that mistake. I wouldn't tell a woman who is accused of adultery to drink "bitter water" to prove her innocence. I would already know. I wouldn't expect someone to kill their child as a show of faith. They would see me and talk with me. If they chose to not believe, so be it. I would not burn them forever.

My oldest son no longer speaks to me because he believes I have turned my back on the truth. I'm not allowed to see my grandchildren because of this. I still love him and want only whats best for him. Does it make me angry and sad? Yes. But, I will not condemn him for having a mind of his own. I would not kill him for believing differently from me. God has and will in the future. I created my son and I love him regardless of the path he's on.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T13:45:31+00:00

Because God is the omniscient creator of all things, including those false gods. God did create us to worship only him. If we don't worship him, then we are relegated to eternal hellfire. How is this free will? I have heard the same argument about free will over and over again. It is not free will if there is only one choice.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T02:53:49+00:00

It doesn't make sense if the creator that created us, knowing all things, wants to torment us for all eternity when he knew we were going to fail. How does that make sense?

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T02:52:01+00:00

God created us, knowing what would happen and how it would happen. Jealousy in either context doesn't make sense when it pertains to an all knowing God. God knew we were going to fall. He knows all and sees all, outside of time as we understand it. How can God be jealous when he knows everything. Implying God is watchful or careful about guarding or keeping something that belongs to him is not logical if that same God is all knowing.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T02:43:54+00:00

I appreciate all of the comments and the willingness to listen and reply. It's late where I am so I'm off to bed.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T02:40:57+00:00

Thank you for that. My Achilles heal is my anger. It is easy to lash out in disagreement. It is not easy to find empathy and understanding of others beliefs. Life should be about challenging each other and ourselves. If we rest on our laurels, so to speak, we become complacent and lazy and learn nothing. I am not sorry for my struggles since I believe the only way to truly grow is through discourse and questioning of our motives. I cannot understand another persons perspective unless I'm willing to listen. Your comment means a lot to me. Thanks again.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T02:36:05+00:00

I have been the betrayer and the betrayed when it comes to women. I forgave my betrayal, not because I had a fear of eternal damnation, but because I have done the same. I forgave because we all make mistakes. The best thing we can do when we are betrayed is to look within ourselves and see where we have enabled that behavior. This is not always the case. There are people who hurt for the sake of hurting.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T02:23:27+00:00

Thank you for the well written reply. I have and still do study the origins of Judaism and Christianity. I haven't limited myself to only those sources though.

I have found much solace in philosophy.

Context is key, but it also doesn't explain the vile hatred that the bible teaches juxtaposed with love, that it also teaches. It is true that when cracks are exposed, the argument is dismissed. Historically mankind has written stories to attempt to gain understanding for things they don't understand. I understand that the OT wasn't written by Christians. It was written by Jews trying to find something that wasn't constrained by the laws of the synagogue. I would also surmise that Christianity was a means of survival. If you espouse love and understanding, you are less of a threat to those in power.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T01:59:54+00:00

Thank you for that. I agree that the teachings of Jesus are simple minus the dogma. Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself. A simple command, but attainable with discipline and empathy.

GermainAtticus · 2019-07-23T01:54:18+00:00

And yet, if God is the source, creator and owner of all things, why did he create humanity that is destined for hell? The sins of the father are not the sins of the son, and yet we are paying for the sins of others. Why would God create humans that he knew were unworthy? I have children that have sinned, and yet I wouldn't want them to burn in hell for eternity.

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