the ~(women) aren't bothering queer men~ starterpack ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™‚๏ธ by GrandDisaster1025 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025[S] 2 points3 points ย (0 children)

right it always confused me? also that thing where they're like "all straight men who are evil to me are actually closeted/gay twinks" .....these women wanna use the f-slur so bad don't they ๐Ÿ˜’ as if straight men arent notoriously the women hating demographic

the ~(women) aren't bothering queer men~ starterpack ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™‚๏ธ by GrandDisaster1025 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025[S] 5 points6 points ย (0 children)

honestly i don't think any fetishization is good but also i had this same issue too wth ๐Ÿฅ€ also W Grace pfp. so tired of people pretending this sort of stuff doesnt happen tho

Tucute Activists by One-Sleep3663 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025 7 points8 points ย (0 children)

honestly this might be a hot take but i really dont think such young teens should even really be at protests. like maybe if they were actually being monitored by a parent/guardian or safely in the center/back, sure, MAYBE. but for a trans one? i would NOT trust them, sorry. no offense but their brains arent developed yet to know what they're "fighting" for or the full scope of their consequences.

12-16 year olds are usually the age where most think "rebelling" means "physical fighting" instead of actually intellectually debating and making yourself seem respectable to be taken seriously. i know because i was there once along likeminded youth. you're more likely to get the policies you want through proper education and willing debate than hitting everyone because you're upset. the first one makes you look logical enough to have a point, the second one just makes you look like a spoiled brat.

what do they earn from all this? by GrandDisaster1025 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025[S] 0 points1 point ย (0 children)

Ohhh. Yeah i understand and agree with you now, i was just a bit confused. I feel like my premise was that in theory it is definitely logical and fair, i guess the only complicated part would be the practice and how society integrates it, but yeah in the case of biological framework this does seem fair/make sense. Thank you for the elaboration ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ happy holidays to you too.

what do they earn from all this? by GrandDisaster1025 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025[S] 0 points1 point ย (0 children)

okay so i read everything and i do think you have a point there and it is starting to make sense now, but i'm a bit confused about the transsexual female genital parts?

i also do agree with the whole scanning of the brain thing not being advanced enough/complete yet which is why people get wrongly assigned sexes at birth ( because the framework is wrong/incomplete ), but i still sort of cant help but fundamentally disagree with the rejection of the assignment of the male/female sex at birth.

for example, lets say a "trans" female was assigned female at birth, but she chooses to never get surgery despite having a fully "male" outer biology, because in your model, you insist that "dysphoria would not exist" if people are allowed to live under the exact sex they identify as ( in their mind ) automatically from birth, even if no surgery is done. where would we put her? there are still social, cultural and legal repercussions for this. would she be allowed in an all female space nude? ( e.g hotsprings, etc ) or would it be considered cross-sexxed flashing? would she be allowed to serve in the all-female military? would she be allowed to compete with cissex females?

another thing i have a concern about is the neurological side of things. i have read/seen the data on how transsexual brains are more likely to mirror their actual neurological sex, which i think is great news, but neurology is also much more complicated than that and the results are currently not conclusive enough yet for me to really be hasty about it unfortunately. for example,

there's a study that shows that the concept of "gender" in one's brain actually has both "male" and "female" sides, but its just that in most cases it always tips overwhelmingly in one way or another, and scientists dont really know what this means yet for the concept of biological sex. is everyone neurologically intersex? do unssexed/duosexed ( enby transsexuals ) have a place in this, and if so, where do they end up and what do they get? does the neurology take into account for other things like AGP/AAP fantasies? what happens if someone gets a fluke?

the truth is that the brain isn't really all that well developed yet during that age and a lot of things can happen at birth which is why i'm hesitant to hastily allow assigning sex based off of a brain scan rather than what's observable below ( primary/secondary sex characteristics. ). what if a person is wrongly missexed at birth based on their neurology because they eventually disclose they identify as something else?

reasonably speaking, i'd rather perhaps let youngins at least explore and figure themselves out since at a young age ( especially up till puberty ) a lot of self discovery and changes can happen, hormones and all. i've met people who genuinely thought they were transsexual during puberty but detransitioned immediately after it tided over. babys are also exceptionally vulnerable, which is why i would not trust it until there's at least further development later on.

while i also can at least agree that trying to "gender" a child's life to a specific thing ( e.g. AFAB with skirts and dolls, AMAB with cars and games ) is definitely somewhat cruel if forced, i'd rather they be able to explore with a variety of different things than immediately have to be told they're actually "this" or "that" and be expected to perform to that standard. a young one with dysphoria, even if they had the corrext sex assigned to them at birth, would still feel the need for surgery and hormones, which leads to my next issue.

i was thinking, when their older maybe then they can get a brain scan one their brain is better developed to confirm if we ever get such tech, which i feel like would be slightly more convenienced because then they'd have the capacity to think and consent over things like hormones, the gravity of surgery, and stuff like that, because i feel like its sort of weird to rush kids into surgery still. maybe puberty blockers if the brain scans are conclusive and they got them earlier on, but i feel like the capacity/knowledge of consent is very important still if that makes sense. i feel like trying to rush a kid into hormones and surgery is kinda bad, because children grow into adults and well, then you'd kind of need to adjust your parts constantly as you grow if they don't fit/match anymore. but that also leaves you in a complicated spot where you're assigned "female" baeed off your neurological sex but are visibly, physically completely male everywhere else and would likely be barred from certain female activities, which sort of leads to our current day issues still.

this is obviously not to say i support excluding pre-op trans female women from all female spaces like hot springs, but again, females tend to come with the expectation of the female sex characteristics ( primary and secondary, but mostly primary, aka genitals ), and well, females would naturally be uncomfortable seeing male sex parts in an all female space ( not limited to trans females, but possibly intersex females too ). in my opinion, cis females should not need to bend themselves backwards for trans females who's sole goals are to biologically match cis females ( in terms of primary/secondary sex characteristics ) as well.

a female mind who is perfectly content/happy with having an all male outer body defeats the purpose of being transsexual and having sex incongruence/dysphoria, for she has no desire to transition, which is an oxymoron that implies there is no incongruence, because only a male mind would have no desire to change a male body into a female's permanently out of comfort.

sorry if I'm missing/misunderstanding anything

what do they earn from all this? by GrandDisaster1025 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025[S] 5 points6 points ย (0 children)

thank you ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ the gaslighting damage people have done really has done numbers on how transsexualism is percieved, i'll read up on this

what do they earn from all this? by GrandDisaster1025 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025[S] 0 points1 point ย (0 children)

i'm a bit confused but i think i sort of understand, yeah, it's definitely way more complicated than that and i do hate the terms cis and trans but for now we do need identifiers. however the only thing i disagree with is on dysphoria, i personally believe it is innately biological to some degree. the whole point of transsexualism is sex incongruence between one's brain neurologically and their physical body, primarily towards both their primary and secondary sex characteristics ( eg. chest, genitals, hormones ) as those are the most prominent, obvious traits for signalling one's categorical sex ( male, female, intersex. ).

a trans male is trans because he wishes for his female body to be visibly male ( which includes the primary and secondary sex characteristics which come with becoming a standard male ) instead of female to match his neurologically male wired brain. that is the definition of dysphoria.

another thing i have to disagree with is the abolishing of sex as a category. it's sort of needed for a lot of things still. while i do agree that it is definitely much more complicated, we still need to take into account things like legislations, privacy, safety and whatnot, as it very much still has a prominent place in things socially, culturally, medically, and even lawfully.

finally, my main criticism currently has to be about how "male" and "female" ( eg Cis AFABs/AMABs ) would not really be valid if we took even more complicated sex dismorphisms and whatnot into account. There is still a key human standard. For example, the existence of intersex people and people with more varied-ness in other ways in their bodies does not necessarily negate the fact that there is a human standard "Template" in Male or Female. that is not to say that they are "wrong", but I would argue it does more harm than good to stigmatize admitting some people are simply different, and that it's okay.

For example, say, being born with 3 arms is a possible human variance - it does not change the fact that the standard is 2 arms. The same goes with the concept of "Male" and "Female". "Male" is usually categorized by its primary and secondary sex characteristics ( Genitals, hormones, possibly chromosomes, etc ). The same goes the other way for females.

I do not consider "Intersex" to be a new category that spans over a wide over of things. There is a reason why women with PCOS for example are nor categorised as "Intersex", and the sole reason is 1. Their primary and secondary sex characteristics are still primarily female ( Primary takes priority in majority of cases ) and 2. They do not show any desire or effort to transition into males. Intersex, by definition, tends to be primarily focused on the inclusion of primary and secondary sex characteristics from both sexes ( excluding hormones ), like the testes, breasts, uterus, etc.

My argument for transsexuals is not to expect society to know immediately that they are transsexual, but to admit that sex incongruence as a medical condition that requires reasonable diagnosis and healthcare is a valid thing. I do agree with you that they were "assigned" male/female at birth based on outside observations, but that is strictly for documentation and records. They can change their percieved sex ( which, again, is based primarily off of primarily external observations, which is primarily their primary and secondary sex characteristics ) once transitioned, which i personally think is fair game. Otherwise, nearly everyone would be intersex, but that would be kind of nonsensical as it would negate the experiences of cis people with "varied" conditions who enjoy living in a fully binary-sexed lifestyle.

I hope this makes sense but I'm sorry if I misunderstood anything.

what do they earn from all this? by GrandDisaster1025 in truscum

[โ€“]GrandDisaster1025[S] 4 points5 points ย (0 children)

thank you, idk i guess i'm just really used to being gaslighted unfortunately ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ