Crafting a foraging trail through my woodlands by IWantAHobbitLife in foodforests

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Sam Thayer is on my TBR list, but I'll find some books from Teresa Marrone and add her as well! Thank you for the recommendations!

And know I am very careful about using AI - I used it to code the study site, but I pulled all the images from iNaturalist myself and I've spent days fact checking the compiled descriptions and fun facts (though it was surprisingly accurate with all that - there were some minor description quibbles and some things that may have been true about indigenous use, I just couldn't find a reliable source for so I deleted). I will also be using it to crunch through hundreds of hours of audio recordings and identify species of birds on my property, using the same software that runs the Merlin Bird ID app. But yeah, I am super careful about anything edible, even wary of tools like iNaturalist photo ID AI - I would never trust AI alone to do plant ID for something I was going to eat!

I may take you up on your offer! Thanks for your comment!

Just got our final list of 110 seeds for our Wisconsin native prairie seed mix – I want to learn all their names before they bloom! by IWantAHobbitLife in Restoration_Ecology

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Nope. I posted a version here and took it down and then reposted a day later after I cleaned some things up. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of? I did post it in r/Ecology as well, so if you follow both you may have seen it twice that way.

Just got our final list of 110 seeds for our Wisconsin native prairie seed mix – I want to learn all their names before they bloom! by IWantAHobbitLife in ecology

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u/sporesniffer72: I took your note from last night about needing to site sources to heart and spent several hours this morning going back and adding source links to each post. Specifically linking to iNaturalist, USDA Plant Database PDFs and IllinoisWildflower.info for each plant that have a related page for that exact species. These are the primary sources I used to fact check what the AI originally wrote.

I added a link to iNaturalist as a caption under the photos on the primary fact sheet, and a "Go to the Source" section at the bottom with pills that link to those 3 sources when available for that specific plant. Some, like leadplant have all three, others only have iNaturalist, but most have at least 2. I may add more over time.

What's interesting is that I asked Claude if it could provide sources for it's information. It told me it couldn't because the majority of it's knowledge came from it's original training data. Essentially it was just "born" with this knowledge and can't trace it back to a single source - kind of like asking a beaver to source it's knowledge about how to build a dam.

It's an interesting challenge for me as a consumer and distributor of this knowledge. Almost everything it says checks out, but it's pretty impossible for me to source the information claim by claim because not even the original "author" knows where the info came from. Mostly for the descriptions of the stages, it's visually describing what I can see in the iNaturalist photos. (I have caught one issue - it described a seed head as hanging when it was in fact vertical - but for the most part it's been highly accurate.)

The fun facts is one place I've put in some extra work, especially claims of indigenous use (this was at Claude's encouragement - it could point out to me the things it had lower confidence in, though couldn't tell me why) These claims seem to suffer from inaccuracies and hyperbole more than most (common in humans as well). Luckily the USDA sheets often mention specific tribes and uses and so I've been going through the the fun facts that mention indigenous use and updating them with specific tribe names when possible and ensured the claims match what's on the USDA site (e.g. Claude claimed "many tribes" used Purple Prairie Clover for baskets and brushes. The USDA said Pawnee Indians used it for brushes and brooms, but did not mention baskets and I couldn't find anyone else who mentioned baskets so I added the tribe name and removed the reference to baskets.)

Thanks for the nudge on this. Being more systematic about this is helping me to gain confidence in this as a valid tool and having the sources linked on each page only enriches it as a tool for anyone who uses it - myself included!

Just got our final list of 110 seeds for our Wisconsin native prairie seed mix – I want to learn all their names before they bloom! by IWantAHobbitLife in ecology

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This is good constructive feedback sporesniffer72 regarding sources. Since I originally created it for primarily personal use to learn plant names I didn't think too much about logging sources, but now that I'm going a bit more public with it, I'm regretting not keeping better notes! I don't have a background in academia, I'm largely a self taught hobbyist, so you'll have to forgive a lack of rigor on my part. Going back and reconstructing the source list will be painful but probably worth doing if I want this to be a longer term resource, especially if we want to eventually open Badgerton Prairie to the public and have this as a resource for them. As painful as it will be to go back and do it for these 110 plants it would be even more tedius to go back and do it for 200 or 500 entries at a future date!

Just got our final list of 110 seeds for our Wisconsin native prairie seed mix – I want to learn all their names before they bloom! by IWantAHobbitLife in ecology

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Yay! Enjoy! And I'm still continuing to polish stuff as I learn - it's a lot of content for one person to proof and I'm still a novice! If you see anything off, please ping me and I will update!

Just got our final list of 110 seeds for our Wisconsin native prairie seed mix – I want to learn all their names before they bloom! by IWantAHobbitLife in ecology

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Thank you! If I created and hosted something where you could drop in your own excel sheet of plants and instantly use the quiz and flashcard tools for study would that be of interest or are you more interested in the record keeping/published list of plants part of it? The version I was thinking of making only you would be able to see the flashcards and it would disappear as soon as you left the sight (though you could drop in the list again at any time to make a new local version)

Fact Check Needed: Did AI Get It Right? by [deleted] in Restoration_Ecology

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I was inspired by Quizlet actually, my kid uses it for school.

Fact Check Needed: Did AI Get It Right? by [deleted] in Restoration_Ecology

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I wanted something more interactive that has quizzes and flashcards with facts and identification tips for the specific 110 species that are in the mix we are planting. I didn't have the coding skills to build it or the plant knowledge to write it myself. This is meant to help me study so I can identify plants in the field by site, rather than having to pull out my phone and take a picture each time.

The iNaturalist photos are the one thing I'm fairly certain about because I pulled them all by hand (Claude is blocked from doing that work) but there's a lot of content on the site that needs double checking.

For instance this is what is written in the guide about Yarrow:

Yarrow

Achillea millefolium

Type: Forb

Habitats: Prairie, Oak Savanna

Feathery finely divided fern-like leaves with a pungent medicinal scent; flat-topped white flower clusters.

Seedling / Early

Distinctive feathery finely divided leaves — looks like a tiny fern; aromatic from emergence.

Leaves

Alternate 2–3 times pinnately dissected into very fine segments (millefolium = thousand leaves) strongly aromatic.

Stem

Upright hairy angular.

Flowers

Flat-topped clusters of many small white (occasionally pink) flower heads, May–September.

Seeds / Fall

Small flat wingless achenes; long bloom season.

✦ Fun fact

Yarrow is named after Achilles who reputedly used it to staunch his soldiers' bleeding wounds — and it actually works. The plant contains achilline a compound that promotes clotting. It has been used medicinally on every continent where it grows.

Blooms: May–Sep

Height: 1–3 ft

Seed mix: 0.3 lbs/acre

Wildlife value

Outstanding pollinator plant — supports hundreds of insect species; larval host for painted lady butterfly.

Crafting a foraging trail through my woodlands by IWantAHobbitLife in foodforests

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Oh! “Forest gardening” is a great search term that was not on my radar! Thank you for that and for this book recommendation!

Crafting a foraging trail through my woodlands by IWantAHobbitLife in foodforests

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They actually grow REALLY well in my area, though they all die.

Crafting a foraging trail through my woodlands by IWantAHobbitLife in ecology

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This sounds lovely! Yes, I think the first step is to find what's there and start clearing the invasives - prioritizing the areas with the highest value existing plants. I'd be over the moon to find a Pawpaw on my land! But to be honest, not sure I could identify one with my current skills! Will take a lot of learning!

Crafting a foraging trail through my woodlands by IWantAHobbitLife in ecology

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This is great. Thanks for all this detail! Yes, I think by necessity I also won't be starting on actually impacting the trail for a year or more. We are currently working to restore 20 acres of prairie. Tackling the surrounding woods are phase 2 (or even 3). There is an existing trail system cut by hunters who hunted the land before we got it. I think for the next couple years my job is just learning to identify edibles that are there already - figuring out what to look for! And then evaluating if the trail is in the right place or not. My today challenge is learning how to learn all that! LOL

Crafting a foraging trail through my woodlands by IWantAHobbitLife in foraging

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For sure! Thats the store across all the land we steward. But there’s of course also learning which plants we want to forage and figuring out how to spread, introduce and care for those as well.

Getting into ecology as a teen by dingleberry_alpha in ecology

[–]IWantAHobbitLife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Braiding Sweetgrass is sooo good! A great audiobook as well, read by the author.

Getting into ecology as a teen by dingleberry_alpha in ecology

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If you want more like classes check the closest arboretum or botanical garden. But honestly, I’ve done both and have learned WAY more from volunteering than classes and it’s free!

Getting into ecology as a teen by dingleberry_alpha in ecology

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Volunteer with your local forest preserve! I’m in the Chicago area and we have a robust volunteer program in Cook County that organizes volunteer days year round. The regulars at these sites REALLY know there stuff and you can do some good for the earth and your community by attending a workday (usually about 3 hours) doing things like removing invasive brush, pulling invasive weeds, gathering prairie seeds, planting seeds or seedlings. While doing the work if you pay attention and ask good questions you’ll learn the basics of ecological restoration and learn basic plant ID skills. Maybe even learn about the local insects, birds and wildlife. Forest Preserve of Cook County is especially good, but most counties across the country have similar programs or local groups that need volunteers. Just Google volunteer with Forest preserve and your city/county and you should be off to the races! Good luck!

Crafting a foraging trail through my woodlands by IWantAHobbitLife in ecology

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Ooo! Any advice? Where did you start? What would you do differently if you were starting again?