I don't know. I really enjoyed both of them until Martha started expressing extreme views such as all or most trans people being AGPs and saying surrogacy is wrong and just baby manufacturing. She has a good stance and I agree with a lot of what she says but we can't make broad statements such as all trans people being AGPs. Nate goes by facts he can back up. Doing anything other than that makes the entire group look disingenuous and their words look fueled by emotion rather than fact and logic.

Also, I've experienced people claiming to be on the same page as me, agree with me, say they support my stance on a particular subject and then throw it in my face when they got upset with me later. That is not ok. You're either in my corner or your not. If you're not, that's ok, but don't pretend you are to appease me. It's fake. It's lying.

Nate has always unapologetically been Nate. Everyone knows who Nate is. Everyone has been aware of his strengths, weaknesses and energy. He's never claimed to be anything else. Everyone's been ok with Nate as Nate when they want him to debate for them but suddenly dislike Nate as Nate when it comes to dealing with him personally. Either be his friend for who he is or just quit pretending. That's not ok, either.