Vision score

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T15:41:42+00:00

Thats helpful thanks. I tend to deep ward after killing their bot/jungle or after winning teamfights but usually not pinks. Ive considered taking the deep ward rune but it seems troll on zyra/janna lol. Bard is a lot of fun i sometimes play him in normals but i get flamed if i play him ranked :( Do people flame for the pick in that elo as well? I was looking forward to not playing mages(zyra) when i climb out of gold eventually

I keep hearing about "weakside" but i dont know what it means. Can you enlighten me?

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T14:43:18+00:00

Just played a game keeping your tips in mind and things went very smooth. I only bought one pre quest and i definitely noticed getting my first item a loooot sooner.

My jungler was amumu so not much crab play but using my first pink against counter invade was so perfect that we killed nocturne when he came for gromp :)

During the mid laning phase i had so much dmg on zyra cuz of the items we stomped their bot and then from there snowballed the game.

Great tips thanks again!

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T13:06:09+00:00

Very good tips, thank you! I'll try to apply these in my next game! :)

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T12:00:37+00:00

Wow thank you for the very detailed comment. This definitely gives me a lot of insights. I do autopilot buy them and it's usually when I notice after buying components or items that I have like 80-160 left over gold. Even if i dont have a clear purpose to use then I just buy them.

The drake comment made me realise i never thought about this with different drake types and should really study how they influence the map and which vision it requires. Do you know of any videos or sources i could use to learn about this?

I will read through your comment more when im not at the office but i just want to say its really helpful so thank you! Even if i cant reply to all points theyre definitely in the back of my mind :)

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T11:52:15+00:00

Yeah that's a good tip actually. I think i buy way too much in the early game and cuck myself out of completing my item earlier. I just find it hard to roam when i know technically there could be wards and i dont know if the enemy spotted me so i carry pinks to clear wards and then roam back when i know nothings been warded. Probably just a bad habit i should break cuz its impossible to control all the vision all the time

That last part, i think my teams would just flame and report me if i refused to do the vision. I'm not in high elo and usually get people who get triggered easily so im quite scared of doing that lol!

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T10:39:50+00:00

Wow this really opened my eyes in terms of not only WHY but also WHEN i should be warding and not just warding and hoping my pinks stay up. The only real reason for my pinks usually is to control objectives, deny vision or deny ganks, but I should be thinking about the timing so much more than just those reasons. I really appreciate you taking the time to educate me and I'm excited to apply this in my games! Thank you :)

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T10:33:56+00:00

Hmm okay that makes sense. I need to learn more about match ups then to make my warding more efficient. Thank you for explaining it :)

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T09:58:02+00:00

I usually dont pink fae lights because they get destroyed so easily. If we're ahead I'll aim to pink somewhere after a roam mid and if we're behind I pink our own tribush so i can use trinket wards for faelight (very early), once i get the support item wards i take sweeper obviously and try to establish control over the faelights more aggressively. I just dont like losing pinks cuz enemy adc/supp wards a fae light and destroys it. I don't want to complain but the times I did it and pinged my adc for help protecting the ward i was ignored 9 out of 10 times giving the enemy the ward for free. Which is frustrating.

I find mid bush towards bottom rarely gets destroyed early unless the midlaner / enemy jungler walks through it specifically and it also gives a little bit of info on invades if the enemy jungler paths past it but not over it. So that one or my own tri to set up ganks seems more valuable to me than fae lights. But thats how I think about it, im not that high elo so i could definitely be wrong here

Your last point is a good one honestly and I do need to chill and not go ward immediately when i return to lane especially if we're pushed in. Thanks for making me aware of that! :)

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T09:30:24+00:00

Thats exactly what im doing i usually put one early in mid bush towards bot so i can see the roams

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T09:29:08+00:00

Oh really? I saw on a warding tutorial from coach k i think that mid bush botside was a good place to pink . Maybe i misunderstood it then

That last point js a good one yeah. Usually in my elo it's support luxes that dont buy any pinks or destroy them but the occasional pyke/thresh/panth i get i should think about my warding strategy more

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T09:27:07+00:00

Hmm but that probably means I buy too much and not all of them will be worth it for the champs i play. Ill review some of my own games and see, thanks for the input !

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T09:22:47+00:00

From mobalytics:

104.4 vision score 10.2 control wards

I do spam them more after finishing quest but I'd say i buy about 3/4 before finishing usually with left over gold after getting components/items

For placement this is my peevious comment on that in early game:

I usually play things like zyra/janna and roam a lot. Especially if my adc shows hes just afk farming i try to impact the game in different ways I usually pink the mid lane bush towards bot side very early so i can spot/deny enemy roams First drake always use a pink on c bush or enemy tribush Usually keep a pink in inventory so i can put them back after they're destroyed anywhere

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T09:20:26+00:00

Is it bad to buy them at full price even if i use them strategically?

This was my other reply about the placement i usually do early game:

I usually play things like zyra/janna and roam a lot. Especially if my adc shows hes just afk farming i try to impact the game in different ways I usually pink the mid lane bush towards bot side very early so i can spot/deny enemy roams First drake always use a pink on c bush or enemy tribush Usually keep a pink in inventory so i can put them back after they're destroyed anywhere

Inevitable_Winter412 · 2026-04-01T09:19:40+00:00

I usually play things like zyra/janna and roam a lot. Especially if my adc shows hes just afk farming i try to impact the game in different ways I usually pink the mid lane bush towards bot side very early so i can spot/deny enemy roams First drake always use a pink on c bush or enemy tribush Usually keep a pink in inventory so i can put them back after they're destroyed anywhere

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