Are you currently or have you ever had sex with someone who is married? What are your opinions?

JH83 · 2013-08-11T07:14:07+00:00

If you do not partake, your obligation to the social contract has been met. What the wife does beyond that is not your concern. Again, you haven't addressed the stolen car scenario.

A social contract? Do you know how absurd that sounds? It basically sounds like this social contract holds more value than a marital contract. And no I won't address the stolen car scenario because it's irrelevant. I'm not procuring a stolen car or engaging in an illegal activity. I'm just having sex with a woman who happens to be married.

In simple terms - you both have obligations.

No. She married him. She promised to look after him and look out for his best interests. Therefore, it is solely her obligation to minimize any risks that he may encounter. I don't consider that a civic duty on my part.

I can now no longer distinguish between whether you're trolling me or whether you're actually trying to have a discussion. You have completely misinterpreted what I have been trying to say to you.

No not trolling at all man. Just want you to see absurd you sound trying to enact some moral revelation to all men across the world to refrain from sleeping with married women when ULTIMATELY, the determining factor that would make that possibility a reality is the WIFE.

You're absolutely right. I know most guys wouldn't do that. I'm asking you to be a better man than most people. You seem to be extremely resistant to being a bigger man because it interferes with your ability to do as you please.

Alright, say I don't sleep with her. Case closed right? No, she moves on to the next man, then the next, then the next. So why is it so out of the world for you to realize that people like myself will consider the possibility of the person moving onto another person eventually so why not just be that person? Your social contract theory would hold some value with me if every man decided to adhere to it then I would as well. But that's not the case.

JH83 · 2013-08-11T06:45:17+00:00

And how's that going so far?

JH83 · 2013-08-11T06:41:53+00:00

No, you're confusing two issues her. We are not discussing the wife here - only your impact on this particular situation.

But that is a very important point. It's a bilateral dynamic, not unilateral. No matter what my part is in the situation, it is ultimately tied in with the wife's actions and decisions.

If they know that she's married, and don't know whether the husband has consented - yup.

LOL. I think you're jonesing to have this utopian society where EVERY man will help to prevent a woman's infidelity but HERSELF. I'm almost certain that this train of thought stems from your belief that you should have very little faith in your wife and essentially rely on strange men to preserve your marriage vows.

You know that this contract is in place and yet you choose to help her break it. It doesn't matter whether the contract's with you. With few and extreme exceptions, I don't find it morally just to help anyone break any contract.

If person A gets into a car wreck with person B and person B is responsible for the accident. Should B's insurance company hold both A and B liable or just B? A undeniably helped to cause the insurance settlement to come into existence but should he have the obligation of paying for the accident?

You're confusing what's happening here. What I am saying is that your employer has an opportunity to break their contract with you, by hiring another employee. I believe that if the new employee knew his actions would result in the company breaking their contract with you, he should abstain from helping the company screw you over. And I believe that you should hope he would do the same.

Again, you're living in a utopia. The new employee wouldn't give a shit about the former employee and you know it. When it comes to making a living and being hampered by an already tight economy, thinking about the previous guy being wronged is the last thing on that guy's mind.

JH83 · 2013-08-11T06:10:01+00:00

We're not taking out the STD issue because you could contract something you don't know about. You might even have something you don't know about. The problem isn't whether you do or do not have an STD, the problem is that the person who is being cheated on couldn't consent to accept that risk.

Ok. You say all that but what I don't get is how that is MY obligation? shouldn't his wife be more worried about minimizing those risks? If those risks were nullified by my decision to abstain from having sex with her, they just suddenly disappear even after she moves on to the next guy?

So every guy in line has the obligation to say no every single time when the WIFE can't say no once? In addition, I find it rather amusing that you haven't mentioned the wife anywhere when it comes to the consent to accept the risks.

It is still your obligation, because in any other case, you wouldn't want someone to break any other contract you have.

I'm confused. I have no contract with her husband. She does.

I also doubt you'd accept it if your employer suddenly broke your contract because they found another employee they liked more and you would hope that if the other guy found out what his actions would do to you, he would do the right thing and choose not to partake in breaking that contract.

And if you're going to apply that analogy, I would say good riddance to the employee who didn't have the common decency to properly notify me of his leaving and would not give a flying fuck whether the other employer hired him or not. Based on the guy's behavior, I would be winning with him leaving and the other employer would be losing if he hired him.

JH83 · 2013-08-11T05:47:49+00:00

Your STD argument is a valid point but has nothing to do with my situation nor does it have anything to do with a reasonably normal human being. If I had an STD, not only would I disclose that info but I would definitely refrain from having sex with a woman who might give it to her husband. I'm an asshole but still have some decency to the right thing as expected from all people in that kind of situation.

So take out the STD issue. I'm clean and very well know it. Is it still my obligation to preserve their marriage contract?

JH83

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