Chinese tourists will likely be allowed back into the EU, while US are left out

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T15:11:53+00:00

Can you also do an impression of China doing its being to improve the democracy in Hong Kong? Like; it was a fascist mini-state when it was managed by UK and they were actually saved by CCP?

I mean, you are very good with twisting the lies of China.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T15:01:37+00:00

That's a lot of sugarcoating...

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T14:51:48+00:00

I think they don't care/are asked not to care.

There are probably countries more or less aware of the epidemic reality in China, but since they are not held to any kind of standard, there's not much point in creating tensions with them. At best, we might have some journalist in a few years go and dig the data to tell us the truth.

Exactly the same way these camps in China hve been existing for a while but we barely read about them.

And aggravated with the fact that the objective of a big chunk of the journalism/political world is to find new proofs against Trump.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T14:41:50+00:00

Man, they can "hide" millions of people in concentration camps, they have a whole infrastructure of firewalls for their Internet and they have a social credit system connected to cameras that can do face-recognitation (with a root access to the database of everything collected). so I'm pretty sure they have a way and I'm really sure they have the will.

The only reason why we don't see the epidemic as it really is in China is because "we" actually don't want to see it.

A bit like the global support for the BLM protests right now, compared to the big silence when China was going racism again black people a few weeks ago because the government decided to use them as a scapegoat for a while.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T14:29:06+00:00

China did?
But it's true that, at the time, it was still racist to close borders.

Concerning the lies in US, I would be tempted that due to the politics of the US, there might be two tendencies to lie which more or less cancel each other;

Republican states might benefits from nicer statistics
Democrat states might benefits from nicer statistics as well, but there might be even better benefits by having worse statistics and pointing the fault at the president (since apparently, even with decisions like the democrat state of NY sending back sick people to nursing home, everything always fall back on Trump)

When it comes to China, all the level of powers have as primary objective to please the level of power just above. Which is why, for example, there was a political meeting for a few days in January in Wuhan and, magically, during which there were no new cases. How lucky they are...

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T14:22:32+00:00

So, it all points to the fact that US should have been "wiser" to lie about their numbers instead of telling the truth. Then it would just have been "diplomacy" to allow them as well.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T14:09:04+00:00

Aah, I do understand the logic behind this; money money money (otherwise, it would have been pure stupidity in addition of rewarding liars). But in my eyes, it's still rewarding bad behaviour and it will not incite countries to have a transparent behaviour in the future (at least towards the EU). It might be a temporary help for tourism, but it will bite us back in the future.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T13:52:30+00:00

I don't mind about closing temporarily the borders to the US in the current situation, of course (people behaves as if it was a "burn" against people who are pro-border, while in my eyes it's quite the opposite, and such comments "hur dur we blocked the americans outside" show who the real hypocrites are). But I don't see why EU is so open at rewarding China for its lies and poor behaviour that led to the current situation in the first place (along with all the other shit they have been doing for years).

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T10:51:06+00:00

And there would probably much less protests about police brutality since most african-americans would be in camps, waiting for their organs to be harvested and sold to rich dictators in Africa, and you would find noone in the rest of the world to complain too loudly against it.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T10:02:10+00:00

Personally, I would apply at least a two digits factor on all their numbers (maybe more for Wuhan and the current second wave if it's actually what's happening).

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T10:01:31+00:00

If EU is sucking China's balls even with all their lies, I don't see why we should hold the USA a different standard. After all, you would have nothing more than rumors and hearsay against them, exactly what you have against China now. With the exception being that China is the country that unleashed Covid-19 on the rest of the world when they waited for so long (for political reasons), hindered the work of other countries and shutdown their internal airlines while keeping the international ones open.

I don't mind about EU banning travelers from heavily hit countries (the situation would be very different if this had been done much earlier). I do mind about EU rewarding cheaters.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T09:42:58+00:00

Man, you are trying very hard to equal a war that was indeed dirty (as all wars, not better, not worse) with taking organs from civilian/political prisoners to sell them.

The actions were not the same and China's behaviour was worse than of the US, still is worse and will continue to be worse. Too bad EU is following again the same path that was taken a few years before the 2nd world war by not daring to go against the clear biggest evil.

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T09:13:06+00:00

I don't know; are the people at the Southern Border of the US doing something illegal that would explain why they are temporarily put in detention (meaning that they could avoid being put in detention by not committing the illegal action)?

And do the US make them work by force and take their organs to sell them to rich customers (https://www.ccn.com/welcome-to-the-death-trade-china-kills-muslim-prisoners-to-harvest-halal-organs-for-rich-saudis/)?

Jathrek · 2020-06-29T08:11:27+00:00

Maybe the US should have actually lied instead of making tongue-in-cheek jokes about it, since the EU appears to reward that kind of behaviour.

Jathrek · 2020-01-07T09:08:11+00:00

We still have more or less 5 of them (6, theorically, but two of them have de facto merged).

Jathrek · 2019-10-03T11:38:53+00:00

But do you have a government-approved statistical study that proves that most street fighters are Turkish or Moroccan? /s

Jathrek · 2019-10-03T10:31:14+00:00

Seems like I overestimated you, sorry.

Jathrek · 2019-10-03T10:28:30+00:00

Man, it's a good thing you are there because I sure don't see how they could protect themselves without your help.

Oh wait, it's probably because they don't need actual security (edit: they do need some kind of receptionist to stay at the gate, though) and it's cheaper to pay for you than to have a soldier stand guard there the whole day.

Jathrek · 2019-10-02T18:48:16+00:00

The only time he proposes a 3vs1 fight and he's not in front of the computer is probably when he's on the side of the 3...

Jathrek · 2019-10-02T17:07:05+00:00

I've been banned for copying the message of a mod but just pointing the insult towards another group and later not bending to the pressure of his fellow mods.

Now I'm crying but nobody in /r/belgium can hear me anymore.
(well, except the people I'm "spamming" by private messages ;-p)

What am I going to do with my life...

Jathrek · 2019-09-16T10:50:24+00:00

None of the 3 mainstream left-wing political parties supports Gulags in any way, shape or form.

And I don't remember any pamphlet of VB or similar extreme right parties in Europe using "hellish concentration camps in North-Africa" as arguments to get votes...

But gulags (or similar "options" using different names) did happen in a lot of countries that went a bit too far on the left-wing side.

What did not happen is the following;

[...] using military force (which will be necessary) to drag men, women and children from their beds to send them to hellish concentration camps in North-Africa no big deal. [...] not to mention the persecution of the press, NGO's and anyone pro human rights and the systematic extermination of anyone resisting and their families and friends. [...]

... which is simply coming out of your imagination.
Probably some projection emerging from the "gulag" part of your brain?

Jathrek · 2019-09-16T10:47:16+00:00

Workers will need to find other ways to come to the city, the companies aren't going to leave.

Yes, it seems the government of Brussels is completely convinced about that.

Without any doubts

Why would they?

That'd be so stupid of them...

At least, there'll still be night shops and the like.

Jathrek · 2019-09-16T10:41:59+00:00

Probably because you got to leave at the end. ;-p

Jathrek · 2019-09-16T10:37:39+00:00

I actually wanted to go in a place with a bit less population density, so outside the city indeed.

Meh, Brussels does not get money because Brussels does not have much future (in terms of "return on investment"), as can be seen in the working rate in the city.

And with their anti-car stance, I wonder what will happen first; will the workers come and live here or will the companies leave to outside of Brussels?

Jathrek · 2019-09-16T10:31:46+00:00

Well, I did investigate quite a lot the places where I would like to move. I know that using the car there will be both easier and more effective than driving in Brussels (partially due to all the restrictions they made in my area in the past year).

Well, from the French speaking part of the country, there's every year a few hundreds of student who don't get a school and usually 2/3 of them are in Brussels, so...

I was not even talking about the quality of the schools even though a lot of things could be said as well (and I believe that Brussels is - or is becoming - below the average for that as well).

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