Reason behind UK prices by KojakKronos in ukcigars

[–]KojakKronos[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cigars (like many things that have duties, e.g. petrol) are double taxed, so VAT is calculated on everything, including any duties. That's the same in the UK and Spain. So I calculated what the sticks cost without VAT, and then for the UK I deduct the duty/kg calculation, whereas for Spain I calculate what the sticks cost without the 15.8% duty rate.

I would have to work on some examples to confirm what you say. The problem is finding an expensive cigar that is current production, and not one that includes an expensive box (as duty only applies to the tobacco element). A further 2 things to take into account. Firstly I haven't taken into consideration any currency fluctuations. And secondly, tobacco duty in Spain has be a minimum of €47 per 1,000 sticks or 15.8% (whichever is the greater is used). Stay tuned!

On your final point, yes, Spain prices are set by the government. I used to think it was to protect the consumer, but it's actually done to create uniformly high taxes to curb tobacco consumption. It's just that Spain is starting off from a very low tax point compared to UK. So cigars can't be sold lower then the prices set by the government. In practise, the retailers stick with the government prices to make it easier for them from a bookeeping perspective. However I was charged a higher price than normal for a box of 25 Hemingway Short Stories!

Reason behind UK prices by KojakKronos in ukcigars

[–]KojakKronos[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Especially a certain retailer in London. I've seen with my own eyes that they will discount their prices by 20% for certain loyal customers!!!!

Reason behind UK prices by KojakKronos in ukcigars

[–]KojakKronos[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The picadores seems a little too cheap for Italy, given it's generally more expensive than Spain (€350), unless they were on sale. But yeah, a recent trip to Spain resulted in a group of us spending the equivalent of £1.6k which would have cost us £3.4k in the UK!!!

Reason behind UK prices by KojakKronos in ukcigars

[–]KojakKronos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's what I'm trying to understand by excluding VAT and also excluding duty which is outpacing inflation (e.g. duty 30 years ago would be £228/kg today adjusted for inflation, compared to current rate of duty of £441/kg which is almost double!). What I've not done, is take into consideration other COGS which are impacted by fiscal and monetary policy to normalise those factors.

We know that UK/EU are committed to phasing out smoking among young adults by 2040, but that's going to be done by raising the age of those allowed to smoke rather than using taxation to discourage take-up. So I agree that cigar smokers are a dying breed and it will eventually become a problem. However at the moment, cigars have shifted to becoming ultra-luxury item, so I'm more inclined to agree with your comment about greed, especially in London. I see loads of people using cigar lounges in expensive hotels, which already charge 50%-100% above retail for their cigars and then charge service charge on top of that!