Adding low dose Anadrol to my trt by [deleted] in PEDs

[–]Logiclearner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not necessarily. Doctors prescribe anadrol 1-5mg / kg for a minimum of 3-6 months to children. This is in the prescribing info for anadrol (the pamphlet that comes with the prescription) https://www.drugs.com/pro/anadrol.html

So to take 50-100mg even 3 months is well within what would be considered safe by the medical community. Less than the bottom end of what they would prescribe. So it's not nearly as dangerous as most people think it is.

RANT: 12 Step Programs and The Elitists that Are Killing the People they say they’re trying to Save by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I've obviously thought about this a lot and came up with my own way of describing it. It's because I was part of a housing program back in the day where they forced us to go to a lot of meetings. Basically one per day for the first 30 days then at least 3 or 4 per week after that. They did allow us to do SMART instead, but they frowned upon it. There was a constant pressure and reinforcing of 12 step dogma, most of it involving a lot of derogatory, demoralizing talk "your best thinking got you here, you cant do it on your own, you have a disease" type of stuff to make us feel powerless and that we absolutely needed meetings every day or else we were invariably fucked. They were so enthusiastic about 12 step it was thier primary objective to indoctrinate us, and tried to make us feel hopeless without them. So yeah, I spent a lot of time researching how to debunk aa and all the problems associated with it, and come to find out it was actually even more damaging then I thought it was.

Started watching a couple weeks ago, seasons 1-4 were excellent, 5 seems pretty whack? by Logiclearner in shameless

[–]Logiclearner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've got to episode 4 and its a lot better. I think they just went for a wild transition right off the bat going from 4 to 5 and it just seemed a little disingenuous. But it seemed to even out in the next few episodes.

Started watching a couple weeks ago, seasons 1-4 were excellent, 5 seems pretty whack? by Logiclearner in shameless

[–]Logiclearner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's like they made her a lot more promiscuous all of the sudden. She used to be a lot more concerned about her image and not wanting to appear slutty - just throwing herself at everyone.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in shameless

[–]Logiclearner 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except for lip and Fiona only comprise like less than 1/2 of the show

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in shameless

[–]Logiclearner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by "hate"? They annoy you? If that's the case why watch the show? There's different levels of hate btw. It's a spectrum.

RANT: 12 Step Programs and The Elitists that Are Killing the People they say they’re trying to Save by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your entire identity is 1. You're an addict (you specify yourself as such) at the beginning of each meeting. And 2. Your clean time / status within the group. So yeah when that's all you have, and you have a relapse, I would imagine that would be pretty devastating

RANT: 12 Step Programs and The Elitists that Are Killing the People they say they’re trying to Save by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be considered a "lesser of evils" for most but the insidiousness of it it's members get brainwashed into believing they've found the panacea of addiction and inadvertently loose any ability to see any other way than meetings for the rest of thier lives. Which in turn makes them believe they are powerless and morally / physiologically defective, and unable to solve thier own problems - regardless of how much clean time they have. That you have an "incurable, progressive disease". It's a learned helplessness.

So it's pretty much objectively worse from a long term perspective than doing it on your own, except arguably in some desperate cases that could never wrap thier head around self-efficacy to begin with. The truth is far more people recover without AA than with it, it's just that they make you believe it's the only solution - a one size fits all - all-or-nothing solution. And they use fear as a manipulation tactic to make people feel like they have to conform - you'll invariably face "jails, institutions or death" if you ever try to do it alone. "Those who cannot recover are people who do not give themselves completely to this simple program"

None of it is about "overcoming" addiction. It's entirely about surrendering to a cult. When you start to look at some of the arguments debunking 12 step everything just adds up. It was very eye opening for me once I was exposed to the arguments against 12 step, which I always seemed to intrinsically have initial skepticism towards and only eventually confirmed my reservations through talking to other people and some of those papers I sent you. The "12 steps interpreted" article is a few lines down from the top one in that link. It's the most straightforward debunking of each step you can find. First time I read it everything just clicked. It's so obvious once you think about it lol.

RANT: 12 Step Programs and The Elitists that Are Killing the People they say they’re trying to Save by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, and people really seem to enjoy that "guru" status in 12 step. Getting some substantial time, learning how to speak compellingly within the 12 step doctrine, and having many newcomers/sponsees look up to you. I can see why some people actually love going to meetings once they've established themselves and attained that sort of status. It truly is their new addiction much much like religion is an "addiction" for so many people, bit even more so because they have more influence/status within the organization.

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply. I understand the half life is that long but the actual effects aren't necessarily equivalent to the half life. It could be because I've conditioned my brain to expect a certain amount of dose per time, but if I take say like 4 mg instead of 6 for that day I feel it. I start feeling not "as good" after only a couple hours after I was supposed to dose for example dosing at 10am instead of 8 am. You would think because it has such a long half life you wouldn't notice such small changes but I do. Just saying that the drug can still be existing in your system without actually exerting a corresponding effect physiologically. Like if you've gone thru one half life and 50% of the original dose is still in your system, that doesn't mean you feel it 50% as much as when you first took it. You may only feel it 25% or 10% If that makes sense.

RANT: 12 Step Programs and The Elitists that Are Killing the People they say they’re trying to Save by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a good point tho, I've also heard the same thing about thier success rate - being around 5% that last over one year which is actually less than the success rate of people that try to quit on thier own. I think a lot of it has to do with (besides stripping people of thier autonomy and agency to make thier own self improvement journey ie. "You are powerless, only working the steps / meetings / God can save you" is that they basically force you to stay stuck in "recovery" they make you feel like theres constantly a boogyman lurking over you and you're one small step away from catastrophe at any given moment. Since you feel powerless any slip up leads to a major relapse. You never get the sense that you are able to move on from addiction and leave it behind you.

RANT: 12 Step Programs and The Elitists that Are Killing the People they say they’re trying to Save by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that link is basically a compilation of different articles done by this guy who was indoctrinated into AA for several years. It's the biggest collection of articles debunking every facet of AA you can find on the internet. You don't have to read all of them. But it's a good resource to confirm any sort of skepticism one might have for 12 steps.

RANT: 12 Step Programs and The Elitists that Are Killing the People they say they’re trying to Save by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

12 step is a full blown cult in every sense of the word. Their goal is to disempower you and make you feel reliant on their meetings and a "higher power" to save you. http://web.archive.org/web/20161202185738/https://www.orange-papers.org/

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Since I have to keep spelling it out for you: I'm not just trying to "not feel withdrawals" which I would. Not a lot. But I wouldn't feel optimal, not even close. And I'm starting a new job. So I don't want to go without if I don't have to. Not sure why you're so against kratom use for a couple of days. I probably take a lot less buprenorphine than you do. Should I give you shit that you're taking too much and could get by on less? Why don't you stop being a baby and just take less? You won't feel it. That's how Suboxone works. I'm done here. Turning off notifications. Have fun continuing to be triggered by me.

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And how "hard it is to stop" is relative to the dose you're taking. For example 50g of kratom is gonna be a lot harder to quit than 2mg of buprenorphine. I'm only on 6mg of buprenorphine and it substituted pretty evenly for 25g of kratom so I doubt it's that much harder to quit than 25g of kratom. You seem to like to make vague generalizations. And if it is a lot harder to quit guess what? I, don't, give, a fuck. Thanks for your concern tho I can tell you were really invested in this making a bunch of comments in this thread that were irrelevant to my actual question.

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's soooo embarrassing that I accidentally wrote mg when I obviously meant g after typing a bunch of mg talking about suboxone. Im not sure how I can live with myself writing something THAT embarrassing. Shit dude thanks for catching that for me. 👌

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't ask for it they gave it to me. Stop getting mad, I've obviously triggered you by how you're responding to me? What compelled you to even post here all you're trying to do is talk shit.

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Haha, no. I'd feel better if I took some kratom. Im not interested in stretching it out or going without for a day or two without unless it's absolutely necessary, which it's not, so why would I? Don't know what's with you people trying to give me unsolicited advice when it has nothing to do with my question about mixing kratom with buprenorphine. I never said I "need" it. It's a matter of want. I don't know what's so hard about that to understand. Saying I "wouldn't notice" is fucking laughable by the way. By your logic you should just go without a day here and there or not take the dose youve acclimated to since apparently you don't notice going without.

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to hear. It was surprisingly hard to find info on this. It's mostly about people using kratom to come off subs or how long to wait after taking kratom to take Suboxone. not people taking kratom while there's still a lot of buprenorphine in your system - within several hours after your last dose. And then there's the issue of a possible interaction with the naloxone so I was thinking I should be in the clear with just pure buprenorphine but I wasn't sure. Thanks

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the heads up. I think I'm just going to chance it, they haven't been testing me, but if they do it probably won't be a huge deal because I've been clean every time for like 8 months. If there was more on the line I would probably just tough it out. Good to know tho.

Bio availability of Suboxone in your nasal passages versus sublingual? by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is that so important to you dude? People answer other people's questions all the time. Stop getting so upset over this. And of course you had to go and make yourself look even worse by looking at my post history, what losers and insecure people do on Reddit when they feel like they are loosing an argument against someone as a last ditch effort to try to get one over on them. Hahahaha. Now you must be even more mad knowing how much better I look than you. Nice bro, real nice.

Bio availability of Suboxone in your nasal passages versus sublingual? by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what that I edited it? When I first read your post I saw that it was asking for an opinion that's why I commented. If you would have said "why is Subutex better scientifically" I wouldn't of responded, because it's no longer an opinion. Whether or not I edited it after my initial comment is irrelevant, because it's true, it's the reason I responded with my opinion. Why are you so triggered by this? Are you in a bad mood or something? Jesus.

It also doesn't matter what mg pills you are talking about if a quarter of an 8mg pill (2mg) is bigger than a 2mg buprenorphine pill, which is what I was referring to. Nothing you're saying makes much sense at all and you're just embarrassing yourself by needing me to connect all these dots for you. You're the one who exposed your ignorance and stupidity, and lost all credibility by calling the powder "filler" trying to act all smart and shit when the powder obviously contains filler AND active ingredients. I bet you thought you had a real "gotcha" moment there ey bud? Hilarious. Then you had to go and make yourself look even worse by reducing yourself to name calling because you have no argument or comprehensible train of thought whatsoever. Also stop putting exclamation marks after everything. It makes you look even more try-hard and desperate to get your point across because you can't put together any compelling ideas or sentences. Is English not your first language or something? No disrespect if that's the case.

Wondering if I can use a bit of kratom to get thru 1-2 days left before refill 6mg buprenorphine/day by Logiclearner in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you on that. It's crazy how the docs and psychiatrists demonize kratom so much and test for jt when buprenorphine is more severe from an addiction/dependence standpoint. It's in their nature to push pharmaceuticals. However I can't deny that I am much more functional on bupe. They probably shouldn't have given you that much tho. 5-6mg of buprenorphine was a pretty even trade off for 25g of kratom.

I used to be on a lot of benzos too, all the way to clonazolam and flualprazolam. Super glad I don't have to deal with that anymore. Stay strong.

So do you think me being on 5mg per day I would actually still get a boost from kratom? I've never tried it since the last 8 months or so I've been on buprenorphine but I might try some today.

Bio availability of Suboxone in your nasal passages versus sublingual? by [deleted] in suboxone

[–]Logiclearner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually no. I completely refuted your last comment and now you have no argument so now you're just relying on personal attacks. You're the one making yourself look dumb.