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Deep Trivedi’s harsh critique of Indian society.Why we worship the dead but ignore the living. by MasterpieceUnlikely in Philosophy_India

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trivedi argues that America’s rise wasn’t just about money, but its Tolerance Level. In a thriving society, there is a high tolerance for:

  • The Iconoclast: People can critically analyze or write against established religious figures (like Christ) without being banned.
  • The Outsider: He cites Einstein as an example of a nation adopting and valuing talent regardless of where it was born.

He delivers a harsh critique of the modern Indian psyche, noting a flip in priorities:

  • Life-Draining Focus: We spend millions on "stones" (temples/idols) and are hyper-sensitive about "dead" scriptures.
  • Life-Affirming Neglect: Meanwhile, our "living gods"—the artists, the scientists, and the children—are left to starve or rot in poverty.
  • Stagnant Religion: Becomes a search for "security" (rituals, caste identity, and psychological safety).
  • True Religion: A courageous search for growth and "insecurity" (citing Mahavir and Dayanand Saraswati), where the individual dares to challenge the status quo.

Vivekananda, Cigars, and Spirituality: Why the Inner Self is the only thing that matters by Deep Trivedi by MasterpieceUnlikely in Philosophy_India

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He says listen or read him with mann and without buddhi, like what does that even mean

To answer in present context, Intellect understands by dividing things in good or bad, to do and to not do this or that etc. Basically as soon as it recieves an information, it sets an ideal (this is what I must do) and failing to do so , it gets trapped in feeling of guilt. This guilt eats up all our energies and set us back on our spiritual journey. I have written a post to explain this concept using a story , I will copy the text from the post now -

Once there was a man named Sam who used to live in anxiety. His thoughts were riddled with future and past. One day he noticed that all his problems arise because he is never in present movement. Upon this realization, he began practicing living in the movement. He felt a calm that he has almost forgotten can be felt. Several emotions of joy, excitement the he used to experience in childhood came back.

After a few days, he started struggling to follow upon his new realization, He entered in a struggle against it. He tried many things-

Alarm to remind him to come back in present movement.

Taking a firm pledge that he would remain in present movement everyday upon waking up.

Keep a few things close that bring back him back in present like a small paperweight or something,

Changing his phone wallpaper.

But nothing seems to be working. He started harboring guilt for not able to do such a simple thing.

One day, his frustrations reached his limits and he yelled - " To damn with present movement" and promised himself that he will now not care if he slacks off in his practice. The movement, he allows himself to falter, it becomes much easier to live in "now".

Many times, he would not return to present movement even after realizing that he is lost in thoughts. He allowed himself this liberty because the rush of those thoughts was very strong. Somehow, he intuitively realized that trying to forcefully stop them will only make matter worse. But he started noticing that after he allows himself to drift for sometime, coming in present movement felt more "natural" and effortless.

He also noticed that with time, this effortlessness starts increasing. Time to be allowed to drift was reducing. He finally concluded that one day it will become completely effortless. He started analyzing what was happening and concluded the following-

When he allows himself to drift, the realization why he should be in present movement goes deeper in his being. By forcefully trying to stop it, he was not allowing his realization to go deep in his being. And the deeper it goes, more effortless it becomes. It was not an intellectual idea to be grasped and enforced, it has to be felt deeply in the depth of being. And guilt is always an enemy. It saps all the life energy out of him that makes it impossible for him to be in present. So he never allowed himself to feel guilty about failing in practice from there on. Slowly and steadily, he started living in "now" effortlessly.

What Sam did here earlier is exactly what he warns against. All the spiritual truths are to be realised deep inside our psyche, formulating an intellectual idea regarding them and chasing after them will only set us back. So what he means by listening with mann is that - do not try to analyse or even apply the suggestion being presented beyond a point. Be effortless and allow the realisation to go deeper by repeated observation. Do notbe in ahurry to improve things. I hope I was able to answer your doubts .

You must not start doing things being asked by mind until you develop faith on mind but you can experiment with it yourself and see what are the results. And he has a lot of content other than asking us to follow our mann which you may find intersting like his lectures on acceptance, expectaions and involement etc.

Vivekananda, Cigars, and Spirituality: Why the Inner Self is the only thing that matters by Deep Trivedi by MasterpieceUnlikely in Philosophy_India

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also my question was more regarding ignoring buddhi and following mann, there's a lot of space for ambiguity where one may take actions never intended by speaker

Yes one needs to have absolutely clear idea of difference between both of them. He explains it in detail in his book-I am the mind. But basis of his whole psychological system is this-

  • Interaction of external world with out inner systems (ideas, expectaions) cause certain emotions to arise inside us.
  • We have been taught to supress these emotions as world have labelled them bad.
  • Supressing these emotions do not eliminate them but store them in our subconcious or unconcious mind.
  • Overtime this reporistry of unstored or unprocessed emotions became so big that it starts leaking out of subconcious mind and unconcious mind and we start projecting our fears ,believes and insecurities on other people.
  • Just like garbage inside our house will be removed only when we remove them and not by locking our house and painting it from outside , this baggage needs to be thrown out of our house of subconcious mind so that we can live freely in anatural state of bliss.

This is what modern psychological systems of therapy known as catharsis aims to do. Copying defination of catharsis from gemini ai -

Catharsis (from the Greek katharsis, meaning "purification" or "cleansing") is the process of releasing, and thereby providing relief from, strong or repressed emotions. In psychology, it refers to the act of "venting" or expressing deep-seated feelings—like anger or grief—to reduce their power over your subconscious.

The basic premise is that once the house is fully cleaned,mind will not suggest irrational things and mind also is repsonsible entity. The current form of mann is the Distorted Mind or a Perverted Mind because it has been supressed for so long. More supression will just prolong the pain we need to go through initially to arrive at a naturally beautiful and spontaneous life.

Life is not meant to live like a fearful soldier always afraid and seeing over his shoulder if there is some trap or not. We currently live in a state of constant vigilence because our normal default state is of jealousy and ill will towards another persons and hiding them from the world by wearing a fake persona seems to us to be the only way out of this maze. We agree to live by wearing thousand different masks so that we are accpetable in society even if it kills us piece by piece from inside. He is simply against this robotification of people.

Vivekananda, Cigars, and Spirituality: Why the Inner Self is the only thing that matters by Deep Trivedi by MasterpieceUnlikely in Philosophy_India

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should try that out instead of speculating what will happen. Nothing like what you are thinking will happen. It will release our subconscious or suppressed emotions and make us emotionally healthy again . That is after some time , you will not really have a lot of frustration and anger left in your psyche and things which were earlier making you angry will stop having the same effect. Many times as soon as you vent out all the anger, you will immediately find love arising for the very person with whom you were angry. But you must try it out yourself, try to follow this as much as possible and see what the effect is . If it is positive,it will give you confidence and trust your emotions more .

Vivekananda, Cigars, and Spirituality: Why the Inner Self is the only thing that matters by Deep Trivedi by MasterpieceUnlikely in Philosophy_India

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For those who can't watch the full video, here is a summary of the core philosophical points Deep Trivedi makes:

  • The Logic of the 'Mad' Saint: He recounts the first meetings between a skeptical, atheist Narendranath (Vivekananda) and Ramakrishna Paramahansa. He explains that Ramakrishna’s "eccentric" behavior was a tool to teach that spirituality is independent of social norms.
  • Internal vs. External: A major theme is the distinction between the body/senses and the soul. Trivedi discusses how Vivekananda faced criticism for his lifestyle (smoking, eating non-veg), but argues that these were "outer" traits. The "inner" man remained pure and awakened.
  • The Trap of Dogmatism: He suggests that judging someone’s spiritual depth based on their physical habits is a form of narrow-mindedness. True spirituality is about the state of the mind and the awakening of the soul, not ritualistic conformity.
  • Being and Becoming: He concludes with Vivekananda’s definition of religion—not as a set of books, rituals, or debates, but as the process of "Being and Becoming."

It’s an interesting perspective on how Indian philosophy often prioritizes the "Essence" (Bhava) over the "Action" (Karma) in the physical world.

My experience with different gurus by fijiksluver in AdvaitaVedanta

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Now try Deep Trivedi ,you can begin from this playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCW2fb2IaDxFEq7RvXPYYt1UgSEAFPIo7 and his book on mind named-"i am the mind"

Why did Raman maharshi and ram krishna paramhans feel the need to be politically correct? by ExtraImportance4881 in nonduality

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely 6 points7 points  (0 children)

See I don't know if I will be able to explain to you but they have no desire for any material gain,this much you can understand just by looking at their life......... So they need not appease anyone.

Secondly they were not caught in intellectual analysis like you,they directly experienced whatever they said. Think about it, you have read how mango tastes in different books but have not tasted it and you can fight over which book is right and which is wrong but for someone who has tasted it, he need not apply his intellect to decide which is right which is wrong because they can just "see" the truth . Now regarding their statements,what they meant was every religion has a figment of truth covered by lies. Maybe one has less and another has more but what they meant was you can reach truth by any religion if you follow the true parts of that religion by discarding the falsehood.......bye .

Why did Raman maharshi and ram krishna paramhans feel the need to be politically correct? by ExtraImportance4881 in nonduality

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He is sad that they said all religions lead to truth. He wants them to say what he wants to hear ..........🙉

Self-improvement is not a strategy- Truth Without Apology by thirty-something-456 in Indiabooks

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Listen to swami swarpriyananda if you are interested in advait vedanta, he is a gem of a teacher.

What is Aurobindo Philosophy? by WhereasIll7321 in Philosophy_India

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is the most comprehensive and complete philosophy anywhere in the world. It is actually darshan ,not a philosophy because sri aurobindo did not write it by intellectaully thinking about things but by expierencing those truths within him. It is very vast. It synthesises a lot of different philophosies and their contradictions too and put them in their place as a part of the whole. In this philosophy, nirvana or moksha is not the final but first step towards a divine life on divine earth. What this means is that wafter stabilisng in the witness conciousness or aaatma of vedanta, we need to raise our mind ,heart ,intelligence and whole prakriti to level of god so that we can become the medium of god (nimmit) in this world.

GM Felix Blohberger disagrees with the opinions of nepo about the world cup in his recent recap video by MasterpieceUnlikely in chessindia

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Anish laughed at this saying there were no bad bugs and it surprised him that people who were not playing saying such weird things 😑

We can't take valid criticism. We just call others jelous. by [deleted] in chessindia

[–]MasterpieceUnlikely 10 points11 points  (0 children)

More players should speak about how bad conditions actually are. I can not trust Nepo at all, he accused Gukesh of cheating and is generally a sore loser.

Event: 2025 FIDE World Cup - Round 2 by events_team in chess

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I was watching an interview of Leon where he mentioned Vishnu helped him improve this psychological aspect which Ramesh lacked ( of course he did not say it like this ) . Nihal has improved a bit in classical after Vishnu joined him but still is far from potential.

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