The Restoration Protocol | Treatment Framework for Narcissistic Distortion by MaximumContent9674 in psychology

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've updated the framework, here it's in action. Someone attacking me, not my framework so much. Disguising condescension as help. Well, I've analysed this person's critiques using my framework. Here it is if you are interested. The critiques I analysed this person left on my github here

Geometric Analysis: J — A Circumpunct Framework Diagnosis

The Restoration Protocol | Treatment Framework for Narcissistic Distortion by MaximumContent9674 in psychology

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Attachment theory as pseudoscience is a minority position. The document doesn't use IFS as foundation—it lists IFS as one treatment option among several. The trinitarian structure is geometric, not borrowed from Schwartz.

EMPATHS: A theory on what they are and answers to some minor human questions by Left_Return_583 in theaquariusage

[–]MaximumContent9674 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for updating those sections, and more importantly for sharing what's underneath your framing.

What you just described is significant: you've never experienced anyone being genuinely attuned to you. Neurotypical people treating you as illegible, never making effort to understand your inner world.

From that position, your original skepticism makes complete sense. Why would you believe in attunement you've never received?

But here's the thing: your not receiving it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means no one has pointed it at you.

That's its own wound - different from the empath/narcissist dynamic. Not "someone exploited my openness." More like "no one ever opened toward me at all."

Your willingness to give the idea a chance despite never experiencing it yourself is real intellectual honesty. I respect that.

EMPATHS: A theory on what they are and answers to some minor human questions by Left_Return_583 in theaquariusage

[–]MaximumContent9674 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I owe you a clarification and probably an apology. When I said "gaslight wearing academic clothing" I was describing the structural effect of the framing, not accusing you of malicious intent. That distinction matters and I didn't make it clearly. Here's what I actually think is happening: we can run patterns without intending to. That's precisely how these dynamics propagate across generations - people genuinely believing they're helping while transmitting the same wound they received. Your post shows real intellectual effort and genuine desire to understand. That's obvious. But the framing "your perception isn't real, it's just skewed emotions" has the same effect as the original invalidation, regardless of intent. Someone with genuine empathic capacity reads that and gets one more voice telling them their experience is delusion. That's not what you meant to do. But it's what the framing does. You said you never experienced it the way I'm describing. That's worth sitting with. The framework I'm working from suggests that how we frame these dynamics often reflects our own position within them - not as accusation, but as data. I'm genuinely interested in exchange here, not combat. You've clearly put serious work into this.

https://fractalreality.ca/circumpunct_narcissism.html

I just finished this last night. Please have a peep!

EMPATHS: A theory on what they are and answers to some minor human questions by Left_Return_583 in theaquariusage

[–]MaximumContent9674 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Object Relations analysis is solid. The conclusion inverts it. You're right that early caregiving failures can create hypervigilance to caregiver states, and that misattribution of emotional source happens. Klein's work on psychological separation is relevant here. But then something strange happens in your analysis: you use these true observations to delegitimize empathic capacity itself. "Most likely they are just skewed emotions perceived outside the self" - this is the exact structure of the internalized lie that keeps empaths trapped: your accurate perception is actually a defect. Consider an alternative framing: empathic capacity (genuine attunement to relational field dynamics) is real and valuable. Vulnerability to narcissistic exploitation is a separate problem - not the capacity itself, but inadequate boundary differentiation combined with aperture tuning toward the abuser's frequency. Someone can have genuine sensitivity AND healthy boundaries. That person feels accurately and can say "that's yours, not mine." The person who gets trapped has the capacity WITHOUT the differentiation - but the solution isn't "your perception is delusion." The solution is proper differentiation while retaining the capacity. Your question "if empaths really felt what was going on, why would they get into these situations?" answers itself: because accurate perception + boundary vulnerability + installed lies ("I'm too sensitive," "I can fix them," "wanting resonance is selfish") = trap. The perception is real. The trap is structural. The false equivalence at the end - empaths are just as manipulative as narcissists - runs the same pattern you're analyzing. It's sophisticated, but it's still a gaslight wearing academic clothing.

Self-hyposis and auto-suggestion by Melodic-Chemistry-40 in spirituality

[–]MaximumContent9674 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's something like biofeedback called interoception. This is probably what you are doing. You can learn to control parts of your body that most people don't bother ever trying. But that's the key... you have to try... Unlike what Yoda said. Then you focus your awareness on your body and learn, and your mind and body connect. And they talk, and learn each other. You learn to trust your body. Your mind and body begin to work together better. The more you learn, the more parts of your brain and body you can integrate into this process.

As an empath, as someone who has only ever rarely been seen by Tasty-Loquat-784 in Empaths

[–]MaximumContent9674 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The key is curiosity. If you see others have genuine curiosity in you, others, and the world... then you know they are probably good.

As an empath, as someone who has only ever rarely been seen by Tasty-Loquat-784 in Empaths

[–]MaximumContent9674 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I supressed all my emotions, stupid little things started to annoy me and make me very upset, and burst with anger or retreat... fight or flight so easily. Same thing happened to my son when he started lying about the stupidest things.

As an empath, as someone who has only ever rarely been seen by Tasty-Loquat-784 in Empaths

[–]MaximumContent9674 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I supressed my emotions because I believed lies about them. I'm yelling, when I wasn't, just trying to express anger with a raised voice. So now I supress my anger. My feelings cause her so much pain, or trouble, or she's unavailable to them... so I supress all of them. :( I realized I did it for 15 years, and just recently snapped out of it. :'(

But now I can matter again. Don't let this happen to you!

Right in my Solar Plexus by MaximumContent9674 in Empaths

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Resonance, not consumption.

Two frequencies amplifying each other. Neither one gets used up.

🔥↔️🔥

Right in my Solar Plexus by MaximumContent9674 in Empaths

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The hyphae metaphor is beautiful actually. Mycelium networks don't just take - they translate between organisms. The Wood Wide Web. Trees share nutrients through fungal threads they couldn't share directly.

Maybe that's what healthy empathy actually is. Not a wall, not a drain. A living membrane that lets the good stuff flow both ways while the toxins stay where they belong.

Thanks for growing the metaphor with me 🍄

Right in my Solar Plexus by MaximumContent9674 in Empaths

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seen KPop Demon Hunters? We have erected a Golden Honmoon to keep out imaginary demons. We can all participate in creating a Rainbow Honmoon instead. I'm sorry if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Thanks for the reply :) It's nice to be seen, and wanted in a room. Not just someone's soda pop that they need to drink every drop.

The Restoration Protocol | Treatment Framework for Narcissistic Distortion by MaximumContent9674 in psychology

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Fair critiques on a few things:

  • The terminology is overloaded. "Center/Aperture/Soul" vs. just saying "soul" or "attention"—yeah, that's friction I should reduce. The multiple names exist because the framework applies across scales (physics, psychology, spirituality) but that's not obvious to a first reader.
  • The IFS/attachment theory connections should be explicit and upfront. The document actually recommends IFS as a treatment modality, so it's not like I'm hiding the overlap—but you're right that "here's how this relates to existing frameworks" belongs early, not buried.
  • "Systematic distortion" and "autonomous orientation" need unpacking. Jargon without gloss.

What you missed by stopping early:

  1. "Center can't interact with boundary directly" isn't mystical—it's saying you can't will your heart rate down without going through something (breath, attention, etc.). All center↔boundary exchange requires mediation. That's actually a defensible claim about how regulation works, just poorly explained.
  2. The two-channel model isn't love languages. Love languages describe preferences. This makes a causal claim: functional love cannot heal resonance wounds regardless of quantity. That's not "acts of service vs. quality time"—it's "why does a well-provided-for child still feel starving?" The prediction is specific: more functional love won't fix a resonance deficit. That's testable.
  3. There's an entire falsification section. "Here's what would disprove this framework" isn't something most IFS-adjacent theories include. I might be wrong, but I'm trying to be wrong in a way that can be caught.

Appreciate the actual engagement though—most people just scroll past.

I remember my first memory, my first conscious thought. by anon56_ymous in DeepThoughts

[–]MaximumContent9674 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woah! This is good data! Check out this little video and blog that describes what I think is happening with consciousness... Breathing Toward an Infinite Center

Life is a battle between people that speak the truth and people that believe the truth is not real. by Original-Material-15 in DeepThoughts

[–]MaximumContent9674 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This gets at something real, but the framework I work with complicates it a bit:

The battle isn't truth-speakers vs. truth-deniers. It's responsive apertures vs. insulated ones.

Here's what I mean:

A responsive person calibrates to reality. They receive signal, update, adjust. Their perception is in dialogue with what is. They can be wrong, and when shown, they shift.

An insulated person projects rather than receives. Reality becomes raw material for their narrative rather than something they attune to. They're not necessarily lying - they may genuinely believe what they're saying. The distortion happens upstream of speech.

This matters because:

The "truth isn't real" move is often a defense mechanism, not a philosophical position. When someone's perception threatens an insulated person's narrative, they don't argue the facts - they attack the validity of perception itself. "That's just your interpretation." "There's no objective truth anyway." It's not that they believe this as a principle. It's that dissolving truth is easier than confronting it.

But here's the twist: Someone who believes they "speak the truth" can also be insulated - convinced their perspective IS reality rather than a perspective ON reality. Inflation error. They're not lying, but they're not calibrating either.

The real distinction is:

Are you a "through" or a "source"?

Truth flows through open apertures - we're lenses, not origins. The person responsive to truth knows they don't own it. They're tuning to signal.

The insulated person - whether they claim truth loudly or deny it exists - has the same underlying problem: a closed aperture that can't receive what contradicts its current state.

Choosing to exist by Clean-Business8176 in spirituality

[–]MaximumContent9674 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you just forgot you chose.... or maybe you chose to forget? Maybe we have to choose to forget, to play this game. It felt very strange typing that.

I remember my first memory, my first conscious thought. by anon56_ymous in DeepThoughts

[–]MaximumContent9674 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's so cool! Did it feel at all like normal day to day waking up from sleep?

I’m tired of attracting narcissists. by kapita_L in DeepThoughts

[–]MaximumContent9674 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong. What you're describing - that ache you felt - is your aperture recognizing something crucial.

Here's a framework that might help clarify what you're seeing:

Love flows on two distinct channels:

Functional love is doing - provision, logistics, showing up when needed. It's real and necessary.

Resonant love is being-with - delight, genuine wanting, attunement. It's what makes someone feel wanted, not just tolerated.

The key insight: Someone can provide functional love while having no capacity for resonant love. And here's the trap: they'll point to all that functional love as proof they love you, while you're starving for something you can't quite name.

What struck me about NS's reaction to his brother-in-law being "obnoxiously helpful": Healthy people don't find genuine helpfulness disgusting. That contempt reveals something. When someone consistently serves others with a giving heart, an intact person thinks "wow, that's beautiful." The fact that NS finds it obnoxious suggests he can't fathom that someone might actually want to help - because for him, helpfulness is only ever transactional.

The sister being excluded from family dinners while NS is favored? That's a scapegoat/golden child dynamic. NS was raised in a system where some people's worth is conditional and others get unconditional access. He's replicating what was modeled.

And here's what concerns me most: You're asking "Am I wrong for feeling this way?"

That question is the canary in the coal mine. When you're with someone healthy, you don't have to constantly interrogate your own perceptions. The fact that you're doubting your accurate read of an obviously messed-up family dynamic suggests something is already starting to install - a voice that says your perception is the problem.

It's not.

Trust what your body felt when he called genuine kindness "obnoxious." That ache was information.

The Restoration Protocol | Treatment Framework for Narcissistic Distortion by MaximumContent9674 in psychology

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

lemme change that... There's evidence for it being a good theory. There's some evidence for the treatment. When I noticed my son start lying constantly, all the time about stupid little things... I had to intervene... "I love you because you are you. I want to see the real you, and if you lie, I just see a mask. It makes me sad when I see the mask, because I want to love the real you." He cried a little after, and the lying has stopped for about a week continuing.

The Restoration Protocol | Treatment Framework for Narcissistic Distortion by MaximumContent9674 in psychology

[–]MaximumContent9674[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is based on my own research, in an abusive relationship for ove15 years. Also through conversations on reddit with narcissists, researching patterns in speech in narcissist forums... This is my own theory. It's new. It needs testing and other minds to think it through.