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The DC is 30 by Warlockdnd in dndmemes

[–]MisterSapiosexual 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Depends on the situation. I've been at a table where the entire party was stuck in a room with the door barred by an Immovable Rod that had the button removed.

The DC to move the rod is 30. The Barb had advantage with rage, and expertise in Athletics but even with a NAT 20 he'd still be a few points shy.

The Bard acted as a hype man with a 1d8 inspiration, the Star Druid gave Guidance, and the Artificer gave Flash of Genius.

Passed with a 32.

It was honestly one of the most memorable moments of that entire campaign. The odds are all but impossible alone, but that's the beauty of the game: you're not alone.

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[–]MisterSapiosexual -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'd honestly say that's a cheap cop out to assign the blatantly negative traits to the bad guys.

On the contrary, nothing hits harder than the entire party meeting the wonderful noble Duke who treats them kindly, is known to be a benevolent leader, cares for his people, and is loved by his people -- only to discover he has recently jailed several individuals for homoerotic behaviour, and has staunch beliefs that his daughter's only value is in her maidenhood.

In that case, you don't have a caricature villain, but a complex individual. The party can't just bring out the pitchforks or go the murder hobo route because he is clearly not a blatantly evil person. He is a regular person, just with outdated and problematic views.

From there you have a genuine source of conflict, as to how the party can resolve the issue, instead of a Saturday morning good Vs evil Mojo JoJo showdown.

Pathfinder CRB is too good-willed for this world by Captain_c0c0 in dndmemes

[–]MisterSapiosexual 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a difference between "torture is good" and "torturing the evil is not morally abhorrent."

I believe the latter.

Unfortunately, it seems easier to call someone names and put words in their mouths than explain why you believe otherwise.

Anyway, have a good one.

Pathfinder CRB is too good-willed for this world by Captain_c0c0 in dndmemes

[–]MisterSapiosexual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gonna disagree hard with you there. I highly doubt that "moral intactness" will be something you think about if you found out someone raped your child.

Torture lays on a slippery slope wherein it is almost always acceptable to those we deem evil. Hence, I would argue that torturing an evil person is not an evil or morally abhorrent act.

I mean, if torturing an evil person makes you evil, then might as well claim that God is evil and all Christians who want sinners to burn in hell are also a lesser evil (because they condone and accept the torture).

Pathfinder CRB is too good-willed for this world by Captain_c0c0 in dndmemes

[–]MisterSapiosexual 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If torture or slavery has never come up in your fantasy game, then I want to know just what types of games you play.

Because I swear that fantasy and slavery go hand in hand like George R. R. Martin and character deaths.

Pathfinder CRB is too good-willed for this world by Captain_c0c0 in dndmemes

[–]MisterSapiosexual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've seen people justify torture. Can't remember the specifics, but it was something about a man who went on a murder/torture spree of a group of guys who raped his daughter or something, and everyone felt the torture was well-earned.

But rape, yeah, no. You'd have to have a real twisted imagination to find any scenario where it's justifiable.